Queen of Swords

I don't know about anyone else, but I show respect to the people who show respect to me. In other words, it isn't earned by posting a one-line loaded OP followed by a steaming pile of cutnpaste.

Don't let the door hit you.

You must? Why, what will happen if you don't meet your quota?

You weren't replying anyway. You were cutting and pasting.

Zeda

Number 1 Reason to Refuse Christ and his Message:

Christians!!

All one has to do is get to know his followers to know that his message does nothing to better a human.

doubtingthomas

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but that's probably the worst reason for not accepting Christ. Your argument consists of generalizing all christians to be bad people or the same as they were before Christianity. First, it is hardly true that people who convert to Christianity do not change; I personally have seen it cause a dramatic change in peoples lifes. However, even if everyone who claimed to be Christian lived a horrible life that the polar opposite of Christ's teachings it still would not follow that Christ was not God. Of course the opposite also holds, even if every Christian lived a dramatically changed life that was different from everyone else it wouldn't mean that Jesus was God. I think there are good reasons for not believing Christianity, but this is not one of them.

reprise

1) There is no evidence to prove that he ever existed

2) There is no evidence to prove that he ever existed

3) There is no evidence to prove that he ever existed

let alone that he was the son of a "God" whose existence has yet to be proven.

Please list your reasons for not believing in Allash, Vishnu, and the Invisible Pink Unicorn, along with Hercules, Odin, Thor, Kali, and Apollo... And I'm really, REALLY pissed of that you "refuse" to believe in pixies and elves and fairies... Haven't you ever READ Tolkein?

Ad Astra

Well, it's getting late here, so I'm off. I hope some people (most likely lurkers) were able to benefit from my little contributions to this thread. Now, would anyone mind picking up where I left off and get Magus to finally admit he was wrong about something?

Queen of Swords

I was thinking about this idea that God could have more control over my life than I do. One more fundamentalist fantasy, it appears, since there's absolutely no evidence that he does. Would a god with more control over my life than I do have allowed me to be an atheist, or to do Nutwatches, or to argue his non-existence, or to have premarital sexual experiences?

If the reply to this is that he could have stopped me, but he chose not to, it still makes no sense. It's like saying that the police could break down your door, drag you off to jail and keep you in there, where you couldn't do jack without their permission. They could, but they choose not to. Therefore, the police have more control over your life than you do.

In summary, I have more control over my life than imaginary beings do. Any and all of them.

Zeda

I am completly serious. If Christians themselves dont believe in Christ enough to lead a good life, why should unbelievers believe in him?
I have known hundreds of Christians and in NO respect did I ever see a case where they lived a more sinless life than any of the unbelievers I have met, in fact if anything I would say most of them were worse. Of course, this could just be because I expected them to rise to a higher standard, if in fact, the Bible was true.

doubtingthomas

You probably have met Christians like that, I have as well. I don't think Christians claim to be more holy than others, and you're right they aren't, but I think for the most part their intentions are in the right place. Many of them that I have met lead a life that to me indicates a true belief.


That is one your problems, you seem to equate the Christians you have met as being representative of all Christians. When considering Christianity what you have to consider is the original source not the people that follow after it. The reason for this is that many Christians interpret the teachings of Christ differently and some Christians are only nominal. I encourage you to read the Bible and come to your own conclusions about Jesus, weigh the evidence and examine both sides before reaching a conclusion. Do not, however, simply dismiss Christianity because of some of the people who follow it.

starling

He never asked.

Zeda

Met some Christians like that? Not some DT, but lots and lots and lots. And no the intentions of the child molestors and thiefs are not in the right place. I have read the Bible lots and lots. I just finished taking an online course in Christology at the Blue Bible Institute (I got an A) I really really would like to believe in Jesus-- but by thier fruits you shall know them-- and I see no evidence of a lasting change in any Christians life. If Christ was God, and his word was true, real Christians would indeed cut off thier own body parts and pluck out thier eyes before they allowed themselves to give in to the horrendous sins practiced every single day by Bible believing Christians. If the people I know who are Christians are going to heaven, I would much rather burn in Hell then spend an eternity with them.