aa5874

There is no such thing as "early Christians" who said Jesus was a normal man.

Please identify a Jesus cult Christian who actually stated Jesus was a normal man.

The Jesus cult originated in the 2nd century. No Jesus cult Christian ever actually encountered Jesus at any time.

The Jesus character was ALWAYS a Belief which was invented sometime in the 2nd century.

ralfellis

The problem, is that most people do not know what Judaism is. And Jews themselves are the worst offenders, because they don't want to know who they are. So who are the Jews? Well, Strabo said:

This region lies towards the north; and it is inhabited ... by mixed stocks of people from Egyptian and Arabian and Phoenician tribes ... But though the inhabitants are mixed up thus, the most prevalent of the accredited reports in regard to the Temple at Jerusalem, represents the ancestors of the present Judaeans as Egyptians. Strabo 16:2:34.


Yes, the Jews were Egyptians. And even if you do not take my additional links between
the Israelites and Egypt, they still lived for many centuries in Egypt. Which is why they have curly side-locks of hair:





And why they are circumcised:





But if you accept my additional argument, that the Israelite Exodus was the Hyksos Exodus, then the original Israelites were a fully Egyptianised people. Joseph was, after all, prime minister of all Egypt and the high priest of Heliopolis. While Moses was an Egyptian prince and their senior army commander. And you do not achieve all that, without being fully Egyptianised. And if you look at the United Monarchy of David and Solomon, these monarchs were not modern Orthodox Jews at all:

For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 1Ki 11:5


Ashtoreth is the Egyptian Ast or Isis. Molech or Milkom (ie: Malcolm) was the king of the Egyptian gods - either Ammon or Ra. Chermosh is the Kemmosh, the god of Egypt (unspecified), whose priests were the Kamar (which is why the Edessan king was called King Abgarus au Kama.) (Kamer was a title for Egypt.)

The Jews will not admit it, but I will on their behalf - they are exiled Hyksos Egyptians. Thus although Queen Cleopatra was half Greek, as a Ptolemaic queen of Egypt her other half was Egyptian - i.e.: Jewish. And then the daughter of this Cleopatra became queen of Parthia (Queen Ourania). But most of Iraq in those days was Jewish. The greatest Jewish yeshivah and seminary was at Pumbeditha, which is now called Fallujah. And the fact that all the Jews of Iraq were forced into exile after 1947 is conveniently forgotten about, when debating the rights or wrongs of modern Israel.

Wheels within wheels.




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ralfellis

Arianism:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...34124/Arianism

But Arianism would have been based on Nazarene understanding, who would have understood that Jesus was a man. But the divide between a king (Jesus) and a god was wafer in this era, as you know, with many Roman Emperors being 'gods' and most of the Egyptian pharaohs being 'gods'. That is what Rameses, Tuthmoses and Ahmoses mean - the Son of God.

So whether Jesus was a 'god' depends on how you define a god. Was Ramases or Vespasian a god? Define 'god' for me.


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Iskander

The Israelites prayed then as Muslims do today: kneeling with the face touching earth.

Catholics stopped at kneeling and Presbyterians pray standing hallelujah!


ELIYAHU HANAVI - The Spirit of Israel, YouTube.

At 56-58 seconds Elijah prays

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9sdwlI7mY

Stringbean

Hyksos were not a distinct racial group. They were a mixed people from West Asia.

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/hyksos.html

Josephus author of The Antiquities of the Jews, identified the Hyksos with the Hebrews. But some historians do not agree with this.

MrMacSon

whether 'Jesus was a god' is different to whether Jesus was believed to be a god in time period a; time period b; time period c; etc

That Britannica article may misrepresent the start of Arianism by up to 50 yrs - it was essentially one of several gnostic belief systems that were the forerunner to the 'main Christianity' that evolved

outhouse

False

And you have made no credible case for such.


Israelites FACTUALLY evolved from displaced Canaanites!



Judaism has always been multicultural, and not all ever had curly locks :facepalm:







That's the problem you cannot face

There never was a mass exodus ever.


The highlands in Israel factually grew slowly from 1200 -1000 BCE and all the markers ONLY SHOW Canaanite origins.

aa5874

I am extremely surprised that you ask me such questions!!!

You gave me the impression that you were familiar with Jewish, Greek and Roman Mythology but apparently you are not.

The very same sources that mention the character called Jesus are the very same sources that claim Jesus was born after his mother was made pregnant by a Holy Ghost and that he wallked on the sea of Galilee before he transfigured.

The very same sources that mention the character called Jesus are the same sources that claim Jesuss was the Logos and God the Creator.

Please, define the Son of a God born of Ghost that was God the Creator who was before everything was made.

See Matthew 1.18, Mark 6, Mark 9, John 1 and Galatians 4.

John 10:30 KJV1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV Jesus is the perfect definition of a Mythological God.

ralfellis

The side-lock was symbolic of the priests of Heliopolis. So yes, we know that 'not all had side-locks'. But if you go to Israel today you will notice that to this day 'not all have side-locks'.

So your point is?





Not true. Manetho records the Hyksos Exodus, and his account is backed up by many of the ancient texts of Egypt. And all Egyptologists acknowledge that the Hyksos Exodus was a real event.

The only difference, is my identification of this exodus with the biblical account of this same exodus.



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ralfellis

Define 'Holy Ghost'.

Can you buy one at the local chemist? How much do they cost? How does a woman use such a device?

P.S. I thought this was a rationalist discussion board...



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