velvetfinger

There's an idea. Perhaps I could counter the article's position on the death of the young woman in psychiatric care with the death of a young woman while under the 'care' of scientology, Lisa McPherson. There is plenty of other material available which I can use too.

I'm going to get started right now.

Godless

A little help;
Stupidity of Scientology exposed by its own web pages

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Scientology Exposed (Time Mag. Cover)

That should get you a real good start. :thumbs:

Godless

PaperCut

Above excerpt is from here.

Same leaflet is available in dozen other languages here.

Whichphilosophy, now why would Church of Scientology act like a cult and restrict and filter its members contact with outside world? Hey I know, maybe Scientology IS a dangerous cult.


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whichphilosophy

Since I'm busy I'll be brief. What is the propaganda leaflet saying that is wrong with processes because it says nothing except the same topic Xenu

Its members active and non active live in the outside world all except the staffs at certain organisations on long contracts.

whichphilosophy

Actually I posted something on that.

The police enquiry concluded no willful harm was done.
This was a civil case which was settled out of court because this was not going anywhere.

Minton and Stacey Bookes (for the Plaintiffs) admitted in the end they had lied in the court and changed their testimony. Since they had already lied in the first place they could not be asked to change their testimony in favour of the C of S.

Lisa McPherson's mother never blamed the C of S. Her estranged sister (McPherson's Aunt) became the plaintif and possible beneficiary.

Sure the death should not have happended.

There are over 200,000 deaths in US medical care each year due to blunders
and in psychiatric care a great deal more. Last year I posted the figures.

http://www.health-care-reform.net/causedeath.htm
This is written by a medical doctor in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

12,000 deaths per year due to unnecessary surgery
• 7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals
• 20,000 deaths per year due to other errors in hospitals
• 80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals
• 106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs

Thus, America's healthcare-system-induced deaths are the third leading cause of the death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer.

I would suggest you look at the civil court records and the Tampa final report and the actual conclusions of the Coronas and not the inaccurate preliminary one which was done by the person who did not do the autopsy.

As I understant there are 100,000 unatural deaths under psychiatry care each year in the USA.

Can you tell me the point then. Are you saying Accusation and Assertions -Fact.

RussianM3_dude

There are not 200,000 people dying from "blunders" in phsychiatric care every year. Where did you get this blatant mis-information?

whichphilosophy

I notice that you did not answer the last one which you also did not givew specifics in your own analysis.

The first is a series of pages taken from books and the front page (by Tilman Hausner) give the persons comments.

These do not relate.

The second, again you use quotes about witness and accusers, in fact the same ones that I last quoted. Do I need to repeat these again.

If you actually read the result of the court case which Time Magazine won, it was not on the basis of its non-factual content, because the judge deemed this not the issue.

It had to be proven that Time Magazine had lied deliberately because the article did contradict government records ie IRS records and other government records regarding tax and expenses and bank accounts.

While in a democratic society we are free to like or dislike something, would you care to substantiate the attached cut and pastes.

For instance can you look at this website and then specify how relevant the persons comments are on just one of the topics

Stupidity of Scientology exposed by its own web pages

That is to say to engage in intellectual discussion.

For instance why does Tilman Hausner say that Touch Assists are learning how to cheat people.

Your raised this, so you substantiate one point.
Or you can also raise another point from anywhere, to be specific and substantiate the facts behind the assertation.

whichphilosophy

The 200,000 medical care blunders (an honest report from a medical journal is there). I will dig out the data on the psychiatric care. I posted this last year. There was a PDF copy which I found on the web (very hard to find) but there is some data only available in the US.


Actually I did give the reference. Don't worry I miss things like this at times.

Here's the reference for the medical ones:

http://www.health-care-reform.net/causedeath.htm

This is written by a medical doctor in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

I'm currently in a busy phase, but as I'm a fast typist (even if I don't hit all the right keys) as I also want to obtain the Psychiatric death statistics.

I need to obtain these again so this is a reminder.

whichphilosophy

I'll try and get a copy of the actual page but you can check this if you have access to a library meanwhile:

“Number of resident patients, total admissions, net releases, State and county mental hospitals, U.S., 1950-1992, obtained from the Center for Mental Health Services in 1994; The World Almanac and Book of Facts 1995, (Funk and Wagnalls Corp., 1994), p. 163.

The exact figures I understand for 1950 to 1964 are given for those in psychiatric care.

I did have another PDF file which I can't locate at the moment but as I understand at the time gave higher figure. This went into the 1970s.

There are confusions however (leading upwards) in some statistics where it is not clear if psychiatric and medical deaths have been lumped together.

I don't quote Antipsychiatry.org because the figures they stated were said to be over 700,000 year for combined treatments but no document source.


Though I don't use Western Medicine very often (partial to snakeoil as Biobeing calls it AKA Traditional Chinese Medicine) I tend to favour a respectful analysis to medicine.

RussianM3_dude

Short of somebody ODing on Ritalin, how does one even die from a wrong pshychiatric drug? This makes no sense. I agree, tht there are medical mistakes every year. But the psychiatry one seems bogus.