Dave Roberts

Great call Toto
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
I was expecting to have to through Luke for a while to find that , but as luck would have it, it was the quote at the time on the SAB

spin

Compartmentalization is a wonderful thing. It allows to say that turning the other cheek may apply to your neighbour, but not necessarily to someone in another country -- for I came not to bring peace but the sword. It also allows you to say, that possessions will not earn you heaven, but they will help you enjoy living. Compartmentalization allows you to love your neighbour (or his/her spouse), but also allows you to hate all them dirty towelhead terrorists.


spin

Chili

It just means that salvation is beyond theology and therefore a mystery.

lulay

No it doesn't Chili, it says what it says. to 'hate'. and that contradicts all the shpeel about love' etc. so this rather means that the Bible is contradictory, man-made, and not to be a literalist manual how to live. Interpreting passages that suit, and using others to justify all forms of crappy behaviour.

Also it has to be noted that nearly all cults include the brainwashing technique of separating you from family, and sexual life so that your allegiance is soley for their establishment and continuation

Magus55

That verse is better translation love less, not hate. Jesus is just pointing out that He should be the most important thing in your life, above all else.

Mageth

Umm, no:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...3-1864.html#26
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...2951-2076.html

The word used in that verse, miseo, in Biblical usage, means:

1) to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2) to be hated, detested

Nothing there about "loving less".

Chili

It does so lulay, but I agree that it is not to be a literalist manual to live by. I think that those clever mythmakers knew that people with curious eyes would be reading it and that is how they rewarded them with a lifetime of suffering and punishment ( "suffer baby" they must have thought).

My phrase "beyond theology" is to express the sentiment that befalls the human spirit of those who have exhausted all their human desires -- even with the help of the good old parish priest who forgave his sins for a hail Mary or two and send him or her West again to do the same thing all over again but with a renewed vigor and enthousiasm.

The name of the game here is to exhaust our human condition that we may come to hate it as if it was like a filthy rag itself. Romans writes on this "Sin seized that opportunity, it roused in me al kinds of evil desire."

Vorkosigan

Especially troublesome when you juxtapose it with Jesus' command to honor ma and pop.

Chili

Honor ma and pop for your own sake, ie so it may go well with yousince their blood crawls in your veins.

Roland

The fact that, in Matthew, an angel first tells Mary Magdalene that Jesus has risen, while, in John, it is Jesus Himself.