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bong_0000007 · 01-10-2008, 02:22 AM

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Prophecies is fulfilling now and Babylon represents USA this city was not yet burn and punished in the revelation it says that believers of God shall out from this city.I think many nation defiled from it.

Another possible representation to these two beasts are: the first beast which is the dinosaur (dragon)whom all athiest worshipped.
the second beasts come after which is the primates whom also the athiest worship to its image.

I guess a prophecy can mean anything you want it to. That's helpful.

spin

Revelation is so confusing for the unbeliever as also written in the prophecies.
I expect that no believers can understand.
Revelation. 11 Let those who do wrong continue to do wrong; let those who are vile continue to be vile; let those who do right continue to do right; and let those who are holy continue to be holy.

Jack the Bodiless · 01-10-2008, 03:15 AM

Actually it's the believers (or some of them, at any rate) who seem to have problems with it.

Revelation has long since been recognized by Biblical scholars as an allegory of events in the Roman Empire at the time it was written (666 = Nero / 617 = Caligula, and so forth).

spin · 01-10-2008, 03:46 AM

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I guess a prophecy can mean anything you want it to. That's helpful.

Revelation is so confusing for the unbeliever as also written in the prophecies.
I expect that no believers can understand.

We've seen various believers making such a mess, pretending they know what Revelation means. Interpreters, who think they have special knowledge, are a dime a dozen. We've seen them come and go, always too proud in thinking that they know. Evangelists over the recent centuries have pretended they knew and their empty knowledge has disappeared, as have those who listened, all forgotten about by the next person who thought they knew.

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Revelation. 11 Let those who do wrong continue to do wrong; let those who are vile continue to be vile; let those who do right continue to do right; and let those who are holy continue to be holy.

When the vile think that they do right, do they continue to be vile or to do right?

spin

Dogfish · 01-10-2008, 04:00 AM

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I guess a prophecy can mean anything you want it to. That's helpful.

spin

Revelation is so confusing for the unbeliever as also written in the prophecies.
I expect that no believers can understand.
Revelation. 11 Let those who do wrong continue to do wrong; let those who are vile continue to be vile; let those who do right continue to do right; and let those who are holy continue to be holy.

Redefining the word, "understand", huh?

bong_0000007 · 01-10-2008, 04:02 AM

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Revelation. 11 Let those who do wrong continue to do wrong; let those who are vile continue to be vile; let those who do right continue to do right; and let those who are holy continue to be holy.

When the vile think that they do right, do they continue to be vile or to do right?

spin

Never a vile do right ,because he never feel happiness to do right(good,positive).Anyway I dont want to argue this, Bcoz I know that verse clearly say true.
Im not an interpreter but I only want you to know and to remember these that a man of God give you this prophecy after all these would fulfill .

Dogfish · 01-10-2008, 04:17 AM

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When the vile think that they do right, do they continue to be vile or to do right?

spin

Never a vile do right ,because he never feel happiness to do right(good,positive).Anyway I dont want to argue this, Bcoz I know that verse clearly say true.
Im not an interpreter but I only want you to know and to remember these that a man of God give you this prophecy after all these would fulfill .

THAT's a prophecy?! Pretty low bar, huh?

Hey, I'll write my own!

"Those in power will contunue to displease many; the aardvark will not mate with the civit; Dihydrogen monoxide will now, and forever, be composed of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom. And, yea, ignorant christers will continue to redefine words that show their irrationality and hold fast to the faith that wishing makes it so!"

Damn, I'm one holy mother-fucker, jack!

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bong_0000007 · 01-10-2008, 04:45 AM

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Never a vile do right ,because he never feel happiness to do right(good,positive).Anyway I dont want to argue this, Bcoz I know that verse clearly say true.
Im not an interpreter but I only want you to know and to remember these that a man of God give you this prophecy after all these would fulfill .

THAT's a prophecy?! Pretty low bar, huh?

Hey, I'll write my own!

"Those in power will contunue to displease many; the aardvark will not mate with the civit; Dihydrogen monoxide will now, and forever, be composed of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom. And, yea, ignorant christers will continue to redefine words that show their irrationality and hold fast to the faith that wishing makes it so!"

Damn, I'm one holy mother-fucker, jack!

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Believers never lies or disguise as lie is the most hate of the holy God.
Please if there is little left understanding in your heart try your self to feel what believers have.
I want to help the countless sinners but the prophecy is final,But if God permit I want to save a thousands.I believe that internet cannot be the way of to salvation.

spin · 01-10-2008, 05:01 AM

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When the vile think that they do right, do they continue to be vile or to do right?

Never a vile do right ,because he never feel happiness to do right(good,positive).Anyway I dont want to argue this, Bcoz I know that verse clearly say true.

Let's say that to someone you are vile and I'm sure that to someone you are vile (human nature is strange). Does that mean you never do right?

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Im not an interpreter but I only want you to know and to remember these that a man of God give you this prophecy after all these would fulfill .

I don't think you are a man of god. To me you are a believer. A believer is capable of doing anything. Most killers in wars are believers. Suicide bombers are believers. Inquisitors are believers. I'd find a different profession if I were you.

spin

bong_0000007 · 01-10-2008, 05:15 AM

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I don't think you are a man of god. To me you are a believer. A believer is capable of doing anything. Most killers in wars are believers. Suicide bombers are believers. Inquisitors are believers. I'd find a different profession if I were you.

spin

You are tempting me to answer your unright statement,First I am a believer, a believer never lie himself for lie is the most hate of the Holy God.

spin · 01-10-2008, 05:29 AM

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You are tempting me to answer your unright statement,First I am a believer, a believer never lie himself for lie is the most hate of the Holy God.

A believer never lies because they believe that they don't lie. Is belief truth? Ask a hindu or a muslim.

spin

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Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	Actually it's the believers (or some of them, at any rate) who seem to have problems with it. Revelation has long since been recognized by Biblical scholars as an allegory of events in the Roman Empire at the time it was written (666 = Nero / 617 = Caligula, and so forth).

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