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Krusty · 05-10-2004, 07:21 PM

Does the bible offer any explanation for the different races of humans? In an argument I am having with Christians, I would like to bring this up because I don't recall any biblical explanation for people of different color, eye type, etc.

Thanks.

Sorry if this isn't the right forum for this post.

--Krusty

Dr.GH · 05-10-2004, 07:25 PM

The sons of Noah have been cited as leading to different races. The Tower of Babble was also used as an explanation of the origin of races.

Bunk, all bunk.

Dean Anderson · 05-11-2004, 03:27 AM

According to Genesis, the three sons of Noah (Ham, Shem and Japeth) spread out and repopulated the world in different directions...

From the KJV...

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10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.
10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
10:20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.
10:21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.
10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
10:23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.
10:24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
10:26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
10:27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,
10:28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
10:29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.
10:30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.
10:31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.
10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

So as you can see, from this AiG cartoon...

...many Christians think that this is where races come from.

Me - I think that cartoon shows that Noah should have spent less time in his toolshed making his boat and more time with his wife. It looks like he's been cuckolded repeatedly...

pz · 05-11-2004, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervy Hobbit Fancier

Me - I think that cartoon shows that Noah should have spent less time in his toolshed making his boat and more time with his wife. It looks like he's been cuckolded repeatedly...

Or that the cartoonist should have drawn Noah less like a generic caucasian, and more brown and intermediate. It's odd how the Great Men of the bible are always portrayed as standard White Guys, as if Belgians or Scots or Swedes are the root stock of all mankind.

Dean Anderson · 05-11-2004, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pz

It's odd how the Great Men of the bible are always portrayed as standard White Guys, as if Belgians or Scots or Swedes are the root stock of all mankind.

I thought everyone knew that Moses looks like Charlton Heston...

rfwu · 05-11-2004, 04:38 PM

Hmmm, it would seem that, according to the Bible and that AiG cartoon, I shouldn't exist!

P.S. I am Asian (Chinese)

Coragyps · 05-11-2004, 04:51 PM

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Hmmm, it would seem that, according to the Bible and that AiG cartoon, I shouldn't exist!

I'd certainly think that, according to the guys that wrote that part, you don't! Israelites of 700 BC possibly had met "caucasian" Turks or greeks, and black Egyptians, but I seriously doubt that they had any inkling of folks that looked Chinese or certainly not American Indian.

snoiduspoitus · 05-11-2004, 05:51 PM

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...many Christians think that this is where races come from.

Just look at those sons though. We have the white son, the intermediate son, and the vaguely negroid son. Makes me wonder if Noah's wife made the aquaintence of neighbors while he was otherwise indisposed.

thegdin · 05-11-2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervy Hobbit Fancier

10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

if these three son went out and repopulated the world, who did they repopulate with? didnt god kill all the women with the big flood?

Sven · 05-12-2004, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thegdin

if these three son went out and repopulated the world, who did they repopulate with? didnt god kill all the women with the big flood?

He also saved their wives (Noah + 3 sons + 4 wives = 8 people). That the grandchildren of Noah would have had to "repopulate" with each other is of course another point...

05-10-2004, 07:21 PM	#1
Krusty Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Springfield Heights, CA Posts: 33	Question: Biblical origin of races? Does the bible offer any explanation for the different races of humans? In an argument I am having with Christians, I would like to bring this up because I don't recall any biblical explanation for people of different color, eye type, etc. Thanks. Sorry if this isn't the right forum for this post. --Krusty

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Dr.GH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Point, Ca, USA Posts: 2,115	The sons of Noah have been cited as leading to different races. The Tower of Babble was also used as an explanation of the origin of races. Bunk, all bunk.

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rfwu Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 1,336	Hmmm, it would seem that, according to the Bible and that AiG cartoon, I shouldn't exist! P.S. I am Asian (Chinese)

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