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Old 11-09-2006, 09:52 AM   #101
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And I find it amusing that you want to talk about anything but the topic.

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You're still missing the point, my dear friend. The whole point here is just how incorruptible, fair-minded, and totally dedicated to the Truth the Biblical Professors are...

"Yeah, sure, your daddy may be a multi-millionaire, and the big donor here at the University but, sorry, if you didn't do your homework, didn't put in your time at the library, I'm afraid you'll have to come back later (like 20 years later?), when you finally do master your Greek grammar!"

"No favouritism here -- no, Sir! We're objective scholars here."

That's the truly principled stand! Without fear or favour... Don't you think it should be warmly commended?

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Old 11-09-2006, 10:13 AM   #102
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The point is that you cannot deal with the actual texts or arguments, so you instead just say that the "guild" is keeping you down. Typical crackpot theorism.
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:23 AM   #103
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Would a summary of probabilities help?

1 - are we looking at original documents, translations, expansions of something else or what?

2 - If we are looking at some form of later "editions" - what was the language (might there be more than one?) of the earlier edition or editions?

What are the possibilities, what are their probabilities?

Are Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic possibilities?

What outliers might there be? Persian? Indian? Egyptian?
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:48 AM   #104
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Hmmm. I'd be interested in the midrash ideas of Duborg, but am wondering if wherever you got this observation from, Toto meant the septuagint instead of original Hebrew.

I know you've been around here watching closely enough to understand why that is more likely the case.
These particular scholars seem to assume that the midrash was of the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew, not the Septuagint. But I can't read enough of the article to know the basis of this.
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Would a summary of probabilities help?

1 - are we looking at original documents,
Definitely not.

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translations,
Possibly, for some passages.

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expansions
Yes, plenty of them.

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of something else or what?
The simple answer is that there are no simple answers in this area.

The world of mainstream NT scholarship is a cartoon-like world with everything in black-and-white. Mark was the earliest gospel, written in Greek, just like everything else. End of discussion.

But the reality was not in black-and-white. Time to grow up.

There are no simple global answers. Every passage must be examined separately, and every gospel must be examined separately. Every gospel presents a complex patch-work in its own right, with both late and early material intermixed.

Loisy knew this 100 years ago already.

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The world of mainstream NT scholarship is a cartoon-like world with everything in black-and-white. Mark was the earliest gospel, written in Greek, just like everything else. End of discussion.

But the reality was not in black-and-white. Time to grow up.

There are no simple global answers. Every passage must be examined separately, and every gospel must be examined separately. Every gospel presents a complex patch-work in its own right, with both late and early material intermixed.

Loisy knew this 100 years ago already
What ever else Loisy "knew" about the composition. tradition history, and alleged "patchwork" nature of GMark, one thing he did not dispute was that GMark was the earliest Gospel and that it was written in Greek. I guess Loisy too never grew up.

Now watch for the accusations to fly from Yuri that I don't know anything about Loisy.

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one thing he did not dispute was that GMark was the earliest Gospel and that it was written in Greek
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The Latin-Greek is similar to the written language of Rome,
(From a google search)

What language is Mark written in? What is this "Latin-Greek" allegedly used in Rome?

Methinks asserting "Greek" may be a bit simple and black and white.
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