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Faid · 08-10-2007, 07:13 AM

So... Unless I am mistaken, dave had some pretty strong opinions on this issue. Made some definite assertions, too.

Has he posted in this thread, after it was made especially for him?

No?

Why am I not surprised- again?

Jack the Bodiless · 08-10-2007, 07:23 AM

The U.S. adopted "In God We Trust" as the national motto in 1956, replacing "E Pluribus Unum".

Immediately before this, they had won the Korean War.

However, after choosing to place their trust in God, they went on to lose the next big conflict, the Vietnam War.

I suspect the North Vietnamese had a few iron chariots.

ughaibu · 08-10-2007, 07:38 AM

The achievement of the christian era was the "dark ages", one thousand years of imposed and sustained ignorance, the worst disaster in European history. There are no known surviving texts by, for example, Eudoxus, the shame for humanity occasioned by the christian legacy is heart rending. Why would anyone defend this shit?

Magdlyn · 08-10-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by biblethumping

Under the KJV the empire grew to the point where the sun never sets on the Empire. Then sometime in 1859 the Darwin published the Origin of Species in England, it was around that time the empire started to decline. I find it this interesting because recently England has gained over 390,000 Jedi who are sworn to uphold the principles of the Empire, yet despite that, it's slipping into darkness.

Wow! That is concerning.

Got a link for that?

Faid · 08-10-2007, 09:34 AM

...

Which Empire?

:devil2:

Constant Mews · 08-10-2007, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faid

...

Which Empire?

:devil2:

There is only one Empire.
Britain.
This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,—
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.

Toto · 08-10-2007, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magdlyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by biblethumping

Under the KJV the empire grew to the point where the sun never sets on the Empire. Then sometime in 1859 the Darwin published the Origin of Species in England, it was around that time the empire started to decline. I find it this interesting because recently England has gained over 390,000 Jedi who are sworn to uphold the principles of the Empire, yet despite that, it's slipping into darkness.

Wow! That is concerning.

Got a link for that?

I assume that you mean the claim about the Jedi, since the British Empire certainly did not start to decline in 1859, and was fairly robust until well after World War I; it was only after World War II that the Empire was dismantled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2757067.stm

hint: I think that biblethumper studies the gospel according to Boro Nut,

Pappy Jack · 08-10-2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afdave

....Of course Britain is not what it once was. My view is that this is because they have repudiated the Biblical principles that once made them great. America will suffer the same fate if she follows the same course.

To attribute the loss of the 'greatness' of Britain to the repudiation of Biblical principles demonstrates both an ignorance of history and of how history is studied.

To begin with what, exactly, do you understand by the term 'great'? What other countries and/or empires would you define as currently or previously 'great' and what are your criteria for 'greatness'? To what would you attribute the 'rise' of 'greatness' and to what would you attribute its 'decline'. How, in fact, would you measure a value-ridden term such as 'great'?

Do you want to turn this into a meaningful discussion, or was this just another off-the-cuff, ill-considered fundy statement of stupidity?

Pappy Jack · 08-10-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mfaber

......Now with regard to that revisionist bovine scatology of "the Us Founded as a Christian Nation"==> challenge to you, Dave, is to list EVEN ONE democratic principle derived from any demonstrably Christian Principle™. IOW, time to put your evidence where your claims are......

As always, :notworthy: and :thumbs:

Constant Mews · 08-10-2007, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pappy Jack

Quote:

Originally Posted by afdave

....Of course Britain is not what it once was. My view is that this is because they have repudiated the Biblical principles that once made them great. America will suffer the same fate if she follows the same course.

To attribute the loss of the 'greatness' of Britain to the repudiation of Biblical principles demonstrates both an ignorance of history and of how history is studied.

To begin with what, exactly, do you understand by the term 'great'? What other countries and/or empires would you define as currently or previously 'great' and what are your criteria for 'greatness'? To what would you attribute the 'rise' of 'greatness' and to what would you attribute its 'decline'. How, in fact, would you measure a value-ridden term such as 'great'?

Do you want to turn this into a meaningful discussion, or was this just another off-the-cuff, ill-considered fundy statement of stupidity?

I trust that is a rhetorical question?

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08-10-2007, 07:13 AM	#71
Faid Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,057	So... Unless I am mistaken, dave had some pretty strong opinions on this issue. Made some definite assertions, too. Has he posted in this thread, after it was made especially for him? No? Why am I not surprised- again?

08-10-2007, 07:23 AM	#72
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	The U.S. adopted "In God We Trust" as the national motto in 1956, replacing "E Pluribus Unum". Immediately before this, they had won the Korean War. However, after choosing to place their trust in God, they went on to lose the next big conflict, the Vietnam War. I suspect the North Vietnamese had a few iron chariots.

08-10-2007, 07:38 AM	#73
ughaibu Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 8,492	The achievement of the christian era was the "dark ages", one thousand years of imposed and sustained ignorance, the worst disaster in European history. There are no known surviving texts by, for example, Eudoxus, the shame for humanity occasioned by the christian legacy is heart rending. Why would anyone defend this shit?

08-10-2007, 09:34 AM	#75
Faid Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,057	... Which Empire? :devil2:

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