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Old 11-17-2003, 12:21 AM   #1
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Default Suffering = Permit or Allow.

If you look in your dictionary, you will see that Christ used the word suffering in its archaic sense.

CLEARLY this means Permit or allow.

Allow the little Children to come unto me.

Christ suffered for the unnecessary suffering of people who were mismanaged by the church and their ridiculous inquistion.

There are many beliefs on this planet in a Great Spirit which are the same idendical beliefs in a Creator.

For example there is Mani 'to, sometimes spelled Manitou. And there is the "cult" of Io.

I think all North Americans know about Manitou, and it is very interesting to note that this is a "paradise belief" which is pantheistic and natural.

It implies that ALL things people, animals and all of God's Creation came from God and should be treated with respect.

The "cult" of Io is interesting as it is a reference to the planet Io which is next to Jupiter which is also regarded as part of God's Creation, being Jovian in nature.

In this belief imagery, Io is looked upon as a Son of God Who is next to His Father Jove.

So you see there are many people who believe in One God, but in many different ways.

Consequently there is not one "true" religion, there is only one true belief in the One Creator.

Egypt shows how this works, but the morality involved is standard and follows the ten commandments & common-sense.

Basically this really boils down to good behaviour and friendship amongst all people on this Space-Ship Earth which was was Created by The "Skipper" of Heaven & Earth, as God is referred to in Dutch religious services.

Basically it ALL comes down to Common-Sense and to having a Common-Sense of purpose.

If the planet and its people are run as if it were a Shipboard operation then it would all be ship-shape and tidy and this is the best way of looking at it all.

It really requires running on Navy lines and requires discipline, rather than disciples.

Of course this can be regarded as being the same thing, but it ALL needs less mysticism and more practical application for it all to work properly.

You may imagine that family planning on board ship is an essential if the "crew", the people, is not to find itself short of accomodation.

Hence the story about Christ being born in a Stable.

Of course the "crew" needs feeding and so adequate provision for the voyage around Our Father will have to be made.

Hence the Parable of the Loaves and Fishes.

Of course good behaviour on board ship is essential. After all we wouldn't want to let The Skipper down, would we?

o essential there should be good behaviour, no smoking and no pornography, and the last thing The Skipper needs is a mutiny, otherwise we might all go down with the ship.

So excercise caur-tion in your affairs and sit down and CAREFULLY project the future befre having children who might not be able to find a job, or accomodation, and which might only find themselves fighting with each other.

This will only disturb the Peace in Paradise and upset the Skipper.

Naturally a ship does NOT require holes in it so the SOONER these holes are filled in the better. We would NOT want to sink because of too much holiness and insufficient planning.

There are NO devils, NO satans, NO superstitions, just realistic common-sense, and now that I have explained that there are NO religions, just ONE Belief you will see that there is only ONE human Race Created by ONE GOD living on ONE Planet who have to get along together and keep the peace, carefully planning and providing for everything for the future of this epic voyage.

So the FACT is that with NO religion but just ONE Common Belief there are ONLY Men and Women, all of whom are human beings, and NO separate sectarian identities, even though there are still those who may care to think so.

So just forget about religion and endless praying and use your common sense.

All you have to ask yourself is, What would God want me to do?

If you follow the story of Christain Mastery and examine it properly you will see that Christ is the "referee" standing between any and all opposing hypocricies, which may be preventing people from living in peace and harmony together.

It is really a Message of Love for ALL of God's people who inhabit His Creation and who respect Him as all Sons and Daughters should respect their Father and love Him.

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Old 11-17-2003, 12:30 AM   #2
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Unfortunately there are MANY who deal in all manner of hair-brained fatalism.

You do NOT see crew-members martying themselves for a cause.

Nor do they crucify each other, hold mock crucifictions, thrash themselves with chains, nod in front of walls, or engage in holiness.

ALL of this is just COMPLETE nonsense.

So, as I have repeatedly said. I agree 100% with Dr. Steven Wienberg and with Voltaire who is quoted as saying:

"Religion began when the first knave met the first fool, knaves who empower themselves by perpetuating ignorance and glorifying stupidity." Charlatans all of them.

I wholeheartedly agree with BOTH of them.

Morality, on the other hand, was invented by God Himself.

From 1 to 10, using your common sense and Bible teaching.
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So you would do VERY well to RE-examine Marxist Communism. You might even learn something.

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Light & Dark. The mythology of Good and evil.
" ... and God called the light day and the dark He called night."

All of this nonsense about light and dark, in relation to good and evil, or ying and yang is total nonsense, based in superstitious religion and fatalism.

God is the epitomy of Good. His Son was also the epitomy of Good but was made to die at the hands of evil men who dealt in superstitious religion and the promotion of ignorance and suffering.

(See thread on the archaic use of the word "Suffer")

Good begets Good and evil begets evil.

Both satan and the devil are evil. ALL things that are of these two jokers are of evil. (Pornography & tobacco, for example.) I am sure that you can think of more. It is the Divine Child that is the Supreme example, for when all is finally exhausted God will never abandon His Children. So ALL good Shepherds should do their UTMOST to look after them properly.

Indeed the Sons and Daughters of Ptah & Atum need to be handled with kid gloves, for this is ALL about loving and caring.

All things that are of God are Good.

Nobody should be afraid of the dark, for Christ (Osiris) has said, "Be not afraid." Yea, though I walk in the shadow of the valley of death, yet shall I fear no evil."

It would be as well to remember this. Just as Osiris was re-membered through the love of Isis and Her Sister Nepthys.

Maybe now you can understand the religious symbolism.

What GOD hath joined together, let NOT man put asunder by his nefarious double-dealing.
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What is wrong with pornography?

Does the Devil exist?

Search and you will find
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What is wrong with pornography?

Does the Devil exist?

Search and you will find.
It is immoral, abusive and creates crime.

There is no such thing as a devil in common-sense science.

The "devil" only exists in superstitious religious nonsense.

Obviously God is not the devil.
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Immoral to whose moral?

If the participants agree with their consent, how is it abusive?
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Immoral to whose moral?

If the participants agree with their consent, how is it abusive?
Consenting to be immoral does not make it the right thing to do.

It is a matter of moral right versus moral wrong, Good and evil.
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It is immoral, abusive and creates crime.
Your evidence?

And how can a plant be considered "evil"?
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Your evidence?

And how can a plant be considered "evil"?
It rather depends on just how much lotus you eat and whether it gives you ideas above your station in life.
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