Boro Nut

Over the line, Boro. Vork

spin

Teddles, you're being obnoxious. Khan chew bean ice ?? Twy agin wif shoogga.

lulay

well, seeing Christians etc depend on their myth being actually historical, and the actuality of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, then ask them 'so where is the actual historical evidence of Jesus ever having existed?'

Chili

It's incorporated in the myth and is without a trace left behind or it could not have been real.

lulay

didn't understnad that sentence chili. i SENSe what you mean is that the 'historical truth' is writ in the myth of it?

but i am saying that there actually exists no physical historical evidence in the person called Jesus of Nazareth, hence Actual 'physical' Resurrection

CX

Whatever for? Did you learn nothing from Don Quixote?

spin

1. xian baiting is a pastime for some.
2. wouldn't you say it's good for x-xians to be able to defend themselves?


spin

Chili

Mythic reality does not deal with temporal issues but with matters that can overcome normal human beings, such as you or me and Jesus long before us. Even if we found an actual Jesus we still would miss the mark because the resurrection is just the restoration of the faculty of reason after Jesus emerged from a three day trip into the netherword (our subconscious mind) like Alice in [our] Wonderland or behind the "glass wall" in "WE" by Zamjatin: "Yes Sir! And if ever you should glance beyond the wall, you would be dazzled and close your eyes--yes--." The significance here is that the ego was crucified and died (which is no big deal if it is just an illusion to begin with) and therefore Jesus took up residence in his subconscious mind (wouldn't you?)and that is the place where his faculty of reason was "raised" into and there placed subservient to his intuition (the upper room first was his "netherworld" and became upper room after the disciples were "recalled" there to sup with him).

It's like a big acid trip, lulay, except that this one is for keeps.

See the problem? The reality of the myth cannot be found in history but is attached to history because there are no conventional words possible to describe a non-rational event.

I should add that his disciples were his strongholds and it takes 12 of these to get into heaven. I should also add that these 12 must be for real and not just an idol = no other gods).

JerryM

Since this is on a bible thread, here's a question I asked to a believer when he was expounding on the NT. He looked at me like I had two heads, but I think it's a legitimate question. If the bible is truly of divine, and not human origin, why do we need translations at all? Why has it not supernaturally appeared, in perfect form, in every language of the world? And even if you claim that God has (for some inexplicable reason) chosen to use human translators, why would he allow his divine word to have so many conflicting and contradictory versions? Why wouldn't God use his supernatural power to insure that his word was perfectly clear and unambiguous to everyone in the world?

Chili

Because that would make heaven equal to earth and defeat his own purpose.