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Toto · 02-16-2013, 11:54 AM

To get your mind off the gruesome early history of Christianity:

ST VALENTINE VERSUS ST TRIFON ZAREZAN

Modern Bulgaria traces its history back to ancient Thrace.

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The Orthodox calendar laconically states that the young Trifon from Phrygia became a martyr shortly before St Valentine, in 248 AD. More curious data are to be found in Bulgarian legends. Let's begin with the belief that vine-grower Trifon was the Virgin Mary's brother.

When, on the 40th day after giving birth to Jesus, the Virgin Mary was taking the baby to the temple, she passed by her brother's vineyard. Trifon was pruning his vines. Being something of a wind-up merchant, he teased his sister about her illegitimate son. Angered, the Virgin went to Trifon's house faking tears and told Trifon's wife that he had cut his nose while pruning his vineyard. The frightened woman rushed to the vineyard and found her husband intact.

"I am not that clumsy," snapped Trifon, but while showing his wife that he couldn't possibly hurt himself with the pruning shears, he did cut off his nose. Since that day he has been called "Zarezan", the one who cut himself.

Later it is noted that "St Trifon is the ill-disguised Dionysus, the god of wine and wild merrymaking, who, as the ancient Greeks believed, was born in Thrace."

Here's the Orthodox version: St. Trifon

stephan huller · 02-16-2013, 12:05 PM

i haven't taken the time to look at the Greek spelling of the name but it looks to me to resemble the name of Justin's opponent in the Dialogue

Toto · 02-16-2013, 12:20 PM

It is also spelled Tryphon. Trifon in the modern Bulgarian transliteration.

Wikipedia.

The legends place him in the 3rd century, sometime after Justin. But time seems very flexible with these legends.

Chili · 02-16-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

To get your mind off the gruesome early history of Christianity:

ST VALENTINE VERSUS ST TRIFON ZAREZAN

Modern Bulgaria traces its history back to ancient Thrace.

Quote:

The Orthodox calendar laconically states that the young Trifon from Phrygia became a martyr shortly before St Valentine, in 248 AD. More curious data are to be found in Bulgarian legends. Let's begin with the belief that vine-grower Trifon was the Virgin Mary's brother.

When, on the 40th day after giving birth to Jesus, the Virgin Mary was taking the baby to the temple, she passed by her brother's vineyard. Trifon was pruning his vines. Being something of a wind-up merchant, he teased his sister about her illegitimate son. Angered, the Virgin went to Trifon's house faking tears and told Trifon's wife that he had cut his nose while pruning his vineyard. The frightened woman rushed to the vineyard and found her husband intact.

"I am not that clumsy," snapped Trifon, but while showing his wife that he couldn't possibly hurt himself with the pruning shears, he did cut off his nose. Since that day he has been called "Zarezan", the one who cut himself.

Later it is noted that "St Trifon is the ill-disguised Dionysus, the god of wine and wild merrymaking, who, as the ancient Greeks believed, was born in Thrace."

Here's the Orthodox version: St. Trifon

So colorful ty.

spin · 02-16-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

i haven't taken the time to look at the Greek spelling of the name but it looks to me to resemble the name of Justin's opponent in the Dialogue

Must be the same name. Also of the Seleucid Tryphon (Τρύφων) who ruled in the mid-2nd c. BCE (1 Macc 11 & 12).

credoconsolans · 02-16-2013, 01:35 PM

So they replaced Lupercalia - naked young guys whipping topless women

With St. Valentine's Day...it doesn't seem fair

Minimalist · 02-16-2013, 01:46 PM

Reinstate Lupercalia.... just none of those syrupy cards and chocolate.

Horatio Parker · 02-16-2013, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

To get your mind off the gruesome early history of Christianity:

ST VALENTINE VERSUS ST TRIFON ZAREZAN

Modern Bulgaria traces its history back to ancient Thrace.

Quote:

The Orthodox calendar laconically states that the young Trifon from Phrygia became a martyr shortly before St Valentine, in 248 AD. More curious data are to be found in Bulgarian legends. Let's begin with the belief that vine-grower Trifon was the Virgin Mary's brother.

When, on the 40th day after giving birth to Jesus, the Virgin Mary was taking the baby to the temple, she passed by her brother's vineyard. Trifon was pruning his vines. Being something of a wind-up merchant, he teased his sister about her illegitimate son. Angered, the Virgin went to Trifon's house faking tears and told Trifon's wife that he had cut his nose while pruning his vineyard. The frightened woman rushed to the vineyard and found her husband intact.

"I am not that clumsy," snapped Trifon, but while showing his wife that he couldn't possibly hurt himself with the pruning shears, he did cut off his nose. Since that day he has been called "Zarezan", the one who cut himself.

Later it is noted that "St Trifon is the ill-disguised Dionysus, the god of wine and wild merrymaking, who, as the ancient Greeks believed, was born in Thrace."

Here's the Orthodox version: St. Trifon

Where's the non-gruesome part?

What is a "wind-up" merchant? Is "wound-up"?

premjan · 02-16-2013, 03:40 PM

provocateur

Toto · 02-17-2013, 12:04 AM

Tryphon disambiguation in wikipedia

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Tryphon was a Greek grammarian.

Tryphon or similar names may refer to:-

Saint Tryphon, several saints
Diodotus Tryphon, a Seleucid ruler,
Salvius, a rebel slave who assumed the name Tryphon.
The Jewish philosopher Trypho in a dialog with Justin Martyr, who may be identical with the eminent Rabbi Tarfon
Metropolitan Trifon, a clergyman
Professor Tryphon Tournesol, fictional character in The Adventures of Tintin (Cuthbert Calculus in English translations)

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02-16-2013, 12:05 PM	#2
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	i haven't taken the time to look at the Greek spelling of the name but it looks to me to resemble the name of Justin's opponent in the Dialogue

02-16-2013, 12:20 PM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	It is also spelled Tryphon. Trifon in the modern Bulgarian transliteration. Wikipedia. The legends place him in the 3rd century, sometime after Justin. But time seems very flexible with these legends.

02-16-2013, 01:35 PM	#6
credoconsolans Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: land of the home, free of the brave Posts: 9,729	So they replaced Lupercalia - naked young guys whipping topless women With St. Valentine's Day...it doesn't seem fair

02-16-2013, 01:46 PM	#7
Minimalist Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,808	Reinstate Lupercalia.... just none of those syrupy cards and chocolate.

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