Mageth

Other than my little jab about correctness meant in humor (which I now regret having made), I do not claim that the "Documentary Hytpothesis" is the right explanation. It is, however, a very good hypothesis that explains a lot we see in the Torah. It's the best explanation I've seen.

Of course it works for you. But that in and of itself doesn't make it correct, of course.

Queen of Swords

Read your own previous post.

Is a goal given to you something that is expected of you?

Ah, but you didn't say, "God doesn't expect us to be automatically perfect without failing once". You said simply, "God doesn't expect us to be perfect." And once again, Magus, the bible contradicted you; backpedaling now isn't going to change that.

And if Jesus doesn't expect us to be perfect without failing once, why did God kick Adam and Eve out of the garden after their first failure?

Man, I love this.

Plognark

ROFLMAO :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Amazing....

Dude, seriously now, I don't have enough toes and fingers to count the number of times my fellow non-believers have shot down my assumptions, presumptions, or incorrect reasonings. I still disagree with some of them too. This is not a bunch of ditto-heads spewing out drivel (well, occasionally it is, but for the most part, no)

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Queen of Swords

You'd think that the god supposedly backing up the theist would be mightier than all these atheists. Guess not, though. This is what comes of being non-existent; you let down your fervent followers when they need you most.

Magus55

http://www.abu.nb.ca/ecm/topics/theme2.htm

Magus55

Yes its forgiven, but Jesus paid the justice requirement that Hitler would normally have to face, and Hitler won't get away with His crimes. There is a still the Great Judgement where God goes through the life of every human and judges their lives. Hitler may end up in Heaven ( although his actions don't speak of Him accepting Christ as his savior) but he may end being a "janitor" as opposed to a king or prince. Dado however is implying that everyone gets off scott free, and there is no judgement. There is no penalty for killing 6 million Jews.

jdlongmire

Matthew 5:10
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Magus55

El is generic for God. YHWH is a specific name and Jews refuse to speak it, which is why they replace it with Adonai, which means Lord. They are not the exact same name, but I meant that they refer to the same thing, just in different context.

Queen of Swords

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Magus55

Because they caused sin to enter and corrupt the Earth. They can be the same - they have broken the bond between humanity and God. The Garden was perfect. Adam and Eve were now sinful. And God wanted to prevent Adam and Eve from eating from the tree of life or they would be eternally stuck in a sinful state.