Elena

My turn to laugh, if you want to play this kind of games. I did not do such claim. I am claiming that you cannot prove that something don't exist. You cannot prove that Jesus did not exist as an historical character. You can only believe it did not exist.

ROTFL!
That is quite interesting indeed. So you believe what the xians are believing. You believe that Jesus was fathered by the holy ghost (hence a myth). That is quite funny. You take what you read literally ("it is stated"). Well, that is only your (poor) interpretation of the texts. You don't understand the contradictions in those texts or you don't want to understand them. You don't understand that those texts were edited over a long period of time, forged to adapt to an everchanging historical situation. And most of all you don't understand how the Hebrews were thinking. You are citing matthew. But chapter 1 was added and again you are taking everything in it at face value, like a xian. You are mixing everything to feed your prejudice.

You have no proof that someone was not crucified by Pontius Pilatus.

ApostateAbe

If anyone has further opinions on the original post, I am happy to engage with them. Toying with aa5874 has the benefit of keeping this thread hot, but it is also a bit of a distraction.

aa5874

Well, you may be laughing at yourself.

I have NOTHING to prove.

I will ONLY show you the EVIDENCE, the written statements, in the Existing Canon.

Matthew 1:18 - I consider that gMatthew's Jesus is Mythology.

Or look at gMark 6.48-49, the earliest Canonized gospel. I have NOTHING to prove.

Mark 6:48-49 I consider that the earliest Jesus was Mythology.

Well, you have something to prove and have NOT yet provided the proof. Please prove immediately anything that you have said about the Gospels is true.

Where is the proof that Jesus was fathered by a human being?

Where is the proof that Jesus did actually exist, lived in Nazareth, was Baptized by John and Crucified under Pilate.

Please, please, please. I hope you are not going to tell me the proof is in the Gospels.

You don't BELIEVE the Gospels?

Do you???

Elena

Always. Because I don't take myself too seriously. Kind of sanity. It is not your case?

True, you can't prove anything, you have only to repeat without end that Jesus did not exist. As if you were an eyewitness under Pontius Pilatus and recorded everything, especially that Pontius Pilatus never crucified a man who pretended to be king.

Because you are thinking like a xian. And what are worth such statements when you don't understand them? Nothing.

But it the first logical thought you are presenting: "I consider". Well, you are free to "consider". I have no objection to that. It is your way of thinking, it has nothing to do with what could have happened historically during the ninth century in Palestine.

You are only repeating yourself. I have no interest to repeat myself.

Nope. Or rather yes, only that your statements are unproven, except to think like a xian.

ROTFL! You made the assumption that Jesus never existed, that no one was crucified by Pontius Pilatus. I challenged you to prove it. You failed. I don't know if there was an historical man called Jesus who was crucified by Pontius Pilatus. Got it?


matthew 1:17 for instance. It is not a "proof". It is an interpretation. Rather clear one though.


Wow! Thinking like a xian. So you don't understand the meaning of nazoreian? Interesting. You don't understand either Bethleem, you don't understand what could have been his birth place. Obviously you are reading only xian literature. Too bad. What about Daniel Massé?

Tell me, what if the use to discuss about the gospels with someone who is reading them with a xian mind, who don't understand that they were edited and forged to adapt to historical events? Tell me, please, do you understand matthew 5:13? No xian undestand it. (Well nobody else here for that, I am guessing.)

Stupid question. It is not about believing. It is about understanding what they meant. xians don't of course.

aa5874

Please, please, please. Where did I state "NO-ONE was crucified by Pontius Pilate".?

You repeat your ERRORS.

Now, if I have NO evidence that Jesus was human then does that prove Jesus did exist?

The Synoptics gospels claimed Jesus was FATHERED by a Ghost.

Do you GET it?

I do.

Jesus was NOTHING real.


Well, you are real smart. You understand what Christians don't.

Tell me my smart friend what is meant when it is claimed Mary was found WITH CHILD of the Holy Ghost and that Jesus walked on the sea, transfigured and was the Creator of heaven and earth?

Such a description is Mythology to me. Such description is NO different to the MYTHS of the Greeks and Romans of the 1st century.

You are smart. Tell me what you "understand".