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outhouse · 01-15-2013, 03:22 PM

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Is there anyone "at all" credible who discounts Paul and Marcion?

Yes, in fact, there is.

But that is irrelevant. Please focus on the arguments and the evidence and stop asking about "credible" scholars.

Who might that be? name them.

Because as it stands now, they both existed and are not even questioned.

What evidence are you even talking about.????

Without knowing what scholar they are following, we have no way of knowing what arguement they follow. I will not chase imagination from uncredible sources.

aa5874 · 01-15-2013, 04:10 PM

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Who might that be? name them.

Because as it stands now, they both existed and are not even questioned.

What evidence are you even talking about.????

You don't know what you are talking about. Since the 3rd century Even the very Church writers did NOT know when Paul really lived.

Church writers, Origen and Eusebius, claimed Paul was executed under Nero but simultaneously stated that Paul was ALIVE AFTER gLuke was composed.

In another Apologetic source, the Muratorian Canon, it is claimed Paul was ALIVE AFTER Revelation by John.

When did Paul really die??

Nero died c 68 CE, gLuke and Revelation were composed sometime long after the Fall of the Temple and gMatthew.

Even letters between Paul and Seneca to place Paul before c 70 CE have been deduced to be forgeries by Scholars.

For hundreds of years the Pauline characters are questionable.

mountainman · 01-15-2013, 05:38 PM

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Well the probability is that Paul and Marcion and a Yehoshua charactor all existed.

Is there anyone credible who doubts Paul and Marcion.?

That's an appeal to authority.

It's an appeal to the hegemonic authority of the 21st century theological colleges and seminaries.

These organisation pump out Degrees in Authoritative Dogma.

They are still very influential in the back-office of power.

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All we know about Paul is writings attributed to him and disputes about those attributions.

And this includes the epistles that Paul wrote to Seneca and the epistles that Seneca wrote to Paul, which were circulated by the Nicaean Church authorities as bone fide evidence for the authority and influence of Dear Old Saint Paul in the 1st century.

mountainman · 01-15-2013, 05:42 PM

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When did Paul really die??

After he exchanged epistles with Seneca.

Sheshbazzar · 01-15-2013, 06:30 PM

Then when did Paul exchange epistles with Seneca?

...Mebe it was really an exchange between Paul and Chief Seneca of the Lamanites with Moroni as his courier?

DCHindley · 01-15-2013, 07:15 PM

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Then when did Paul exchange epistles with Seneca?

...Mebe it was really an exchange between Paul and Chief Seneca of the Lamanites with Moroni as his courier?

Buffalo biscuits!

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mountainman · 01-15-2013, 07:29 PM

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Then when did Paul exchange epistles with Seneca?

...Mebe it was really an exchange between Paul and Chief Seneca of the Lamanites with Moroni as his courier?

Funny you should say that Shesh.

In my notes about the 4th century I found that Mormon appears.

I cannot remember where this is sourced but google will find it.

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Alexander Campbell

Delusions (1831)

The Book of Nephi the son of Nephi, gives, in 4 pages, the history of 320 years after Christ. In the 36th year, all the inhabitants of the land were converted; there was a perfect community, and no disputations in the land for 170 years. Three of the American Apostles were never to die, and were seen 400 years after Christ; but what has become of them no one can tell, except Cowdery, Whitmer and Harris, the three witnesses of the truth of the plates of Nephi, be these three immortal men.

Towards the close of the history of Nephi or the record Ammaron, sects and divisions and battles became frequent, and all goodness had almost left the continent in the year 320.

Mormon appears next in the drama, the recording angel of the whole matter, who, by the way, was a mighty general and great christian; he commanded in one engagement 42,000 men against the Lamanites!!! He was no Quaker!

This dreadful battle was fought A. D. 330.

This was about the year "The City of Constantine" was completed.

Constantine lost no time in demonstrating who ruled Constantinople.

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The Lamanites took [89] South America for themselves, and gave North America to the Nephites.

Mormon was very orthodox, for he preached in these words, A. D. 362:

"That Jesus was the very Christ, and the very God."

He must have heard of the Arian controversy by some angel!!

Not only that, Mormon did his preaching while the Empire was ruled by Emperor Julian.

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Moroni finishes what Mormon, his father, left undone, and continues the history till A. D. 400. He pleads that no one shall disbelieve his record because of its imperfections!! and declares that none who receive it will condemn it on account of its imperfections, and for not doing so, the same shall know greater things. p. 532

OMG!

What does all this mean Radar?

Sheshbazzar · 01-15-2013, 07:36 PM

We need tinfoil hats!

Onias · 01-16-2013, 12:06 PM

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"Ancient Aliens" is going to love you.

But I still think you have it backwards. A historical man lived and was martyred and hellenistic mythology grew from this passover event.

Yes, I agree! There are 2 different religions in the NT, the religion of the original Jesus, who attempted to become the Jewish messiah and failed, and the religion of Paul, a rehash of Mithraism and other savior god-cults of Egypt like Horus, Osiris and Isis.

The book of Acts sewed the two together.

Sheshbazzar · 01-16-2013, 12:26 PM

Careful not to mistake Paul the JEW, with what the Gentile church did to the writings of Paul.

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