John Kesler

From here:

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MortalWombat

Teotihuacan in Mexico was a pretty good sized kingdom at this time.

semiopen

It is well known that the Incas were Jewish.

http://www.hagshama.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=169

Just joking... or am I. :constern01:

lpetrich

Why should we take seriously bullshit like that?

That article did not describe how the Cuzco and Jerusalem temples have some distinctive sort of construction that distinguishes them from other temples, which is what it implies.

Also, the Incas had been idolators on a massive scale.

"Navel of the world" is a rather obvious metaphor for some supposedly central spot.

As to Quechua and Hebrew, there are too many differences -- the "comparisons" I saw were the impressionistic sort that amateur linguists seem to love.

About Quechua, I found
http://www.ullanta.com/quechua
http://www.philip-jacobs.de/runasimi/runaengl.htm
Quechua language

About Hebrew, it's hard to find anything that gives a phonetic transcription, since it is usually written without vowels. So I've had to use the likes of Hebrew language.

Hebrew usually uses SVO and NA word order, while Quechua usually uses SOV and AN word order. Hebrew has prepositions and a very limited case system, while Quechua has numerous noun suffixes/cases. Hebrew has male and female grammatical genders, while Quechua has none. Here's what the personal pronouns look like in Hebrew and Quechua:

Ps.	Sg.	Pl.
1	ani	anahhnu
2	ata (m) / at (f)	atem (m) / aten (f)
3	hu (m) / hi (f)	hem (m) / hen (f)

Ps.	Sg.	Pl.
1	ñuqa	ñuqanchik (incl.) / ñuqayku (excl.)
2	qam	qamkuna
3	pay	paykuna

Quechua distinguishes between inclusive and exclusive "we" ("you and I", "I and others but not you")

The Quechua plural suffix is -kuna, while the Hebrew masculine and feminine pluralizations are
masc: -, -im
fem: -a, -ot, ...

Possessive suffixes (H and Q):

Ps.	Sg.	Pl.
1	-i	-anu
2	- kha (m) / -akh (f)	-khem (m) / -khen (f)
3	-o (m) / -a (f)	-am (m) / -an (f)

Ps.	Sg.	Pl.
1	-y	-nchik (incl) / -yku (excl)
2	-yki	-ykichik
3	-n	- nku

Vocabulary is just as bad. Mark Rosenfelder maintains files of Numbers from 1 to 10 in Over 5000 Languages , but I'll use Wikipedia's version:

#	Quechua	Hebrew	Proto-Indo-European
1	huk	'ahhat	*oynos
2	iskay	shtayim	*duwô
3	kimsa	shâlôsh	*treyes
4	tawa	'arba`	*kwetwores
5	pichqa	hâmêsh	*penkwe
6	suqta	shêsh	*sweks
7	qanchis	sheba`	*septm
8	pusaq	shemôneh	*oktô
9	isqun	têsha`	*newn
10	chunka	`eser	*dekm

I looked at a little bit of the more stable sort of vocabulary, and I found no resenblance there also.

DCHindley

Whooo-wee!

I had to check out Gustavo Perednik to make sure he is not a Mormon. Turns out he is a super nationalist (as in Jewish people, not necessarily the nation of Israel) Jew.

But this idea that Israelites came to the new world and colonized it is exactly what the Mormons have been saying since the 1830s: it was Jews, first escaping from the capture of Judea by the Babylonians, and later escaping the Jewish-Roman war of 66-70, who were the Lamanites and Nephites, etc, mentioned in the golden tablets of Nephi.

How could I have resisted the obvious truth so long! I am converted!!

DCH

(Now, where do I need to go to find me one of them there additional child brides so I can rule a planet like a god ... or am I confusing Mormons with Scientologists? No, wait, the latter are the ones who think incorporeal alien Thetans have come to colonize this planet ... yeah ... but rule more like the devil with his demons than as a god. Or are the Jews demons?)

semiopen

The DNA evidence isn't very good either.

There was apparently early Jewish immigration to the Americas as suggested by DNA testing of SE American Indians. But these were apparently Spanish and Portuguese who left because of the expulsion of the Jews.

I think the Mormon position has been refuted, kind of a dog bites man story... or is it? :constern01:

lpetrich

Another thing: Hebrew verb conjugation is very different from Quecha verb conjugation. Hebrew verbs use lots of prefixes, suffixes, and internal vowel shifts, while Quechua verbs mostly use suffixes -- and lots of them.

Members of the Indo-European family have been the best-studied, and they have often had plenty of reorganization of word morphology and plenty of sound shifts and vocabulary turnover, but one can still recognize some continuity in many cases.

That being said, I'll list the ancestral Indo-European personal pronouns

Ps.	Sg.	Pl.
1	*egô (nom) / *me- (obl)	*wei (nom) / *nes- (obl)
2	*tû (nom) / *te- (obl)	*yû (nom) / *wes- (obl)

nom = nominative case
obl = oblique-case stem

Demonstratives ("this", "that") were used as third-person pronouns.

Mormons believe that the Mormon God was once a man who had been a very good Mormon, and who was rewarded for that by getting his own planet and lots and lots of wives. Not surprisingly, they also believe that being a very good Mormon can get you your very own planet.

Scientologists think that our planet is a dumping ground for the thetans (souls) of people that Xenu had wanted to get rid of. Scientology is sort of like a science-fictional version of Gnosticism, with Xenu being much like Yaldabaoth.

Mormons often backtrack, claiming that only some of the Native Americans are fleeing Israelites. But which ones?

DCHindley

Because I did not have unilimited time I was unable to twist my musings to resemble the rambling biblical exposition given by Jules Winnfield in Pulp Fiction:

There's a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

I been sayin' that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherf--ker before you popped a cap in his ass.

But I saw some s--t this mornin' made me think twice. Now I'm thinkin': it could mean you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. .45 here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness.

Or it could be you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that. But that s--t ain't the truth.

The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin, Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd.

DCH