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dado · 06-10-2004, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Biff the unclean

Either you are "self-thinking" or you have faith in the Bible. Pick one or the other because you cannot have both at the same time.

sorry, not going to let your fundamatheism (thanks, anitra!) define my world. i choose both: that you can't see them as compatible is a limitation of your reasoning ability, not mine.

if you think you can prove i don't have faith in judaic texts, feel free to try. ditto if you think you can prove i can't use reason. the latter should be particularly interesting to watch since i make my living as an applied epistomologist.

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When I follow an instruction manual...

more foundationless self-fulfilling definitions: the bible is not an instruction manual.

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Stop pretending to draw authority from the Bible while you are claiming it says things which it does not.

again, i challenge you demonstrate any post of mine in which i "draw authority" from the bible. i neither have nor want "authority" over anyone's beliefs but my own.

i'm afraid the world is not nearly as limited as your conceptual abilities are implying to you, Biffy my Boy.

dado · 06-10-2004, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by King Rat

Why exactly are you insulted by Biffs post?

putting all theists in the same category as tv evangelists is as disrespectful and ignorant as putting all atheists in the same category as Mao.

King Rat · 06-10-2004, 12:12 PM

Can you please post a link to the exchange? I don't see how you got that out of the quote you posted earlier.

Biff the unclean · 06-10-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dado

sorry, not going to let your fundamatheism (thanks, anitra!) define my world. i choose both: that you can't see them as compatible is a limitation of your reasoning ability, not mine.

So I'm not educated (I've a Ph.D. bye the way) and I can't reason. So explain it to we poor benighted Atheists, how you have faith and "self-thought" at the same time? Smacks of the Xians Virgin Birth.

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if you think you can prove i don't have faith in judaic texts, feel free to try.

I never doubted that you had faith.

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ditto if you think you can prove i can't use reason.

I don't know if you can use reason or not. I just know that you haven't.

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more foundationless self-fulfilling definitions: the bible is not an instruction manual.

Nor are you the book's author. You are not free to rewrite it and still claim it to be the original.

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again, i challenge you demonstrate any post of mine in which i "draw authority" from the bible. i neither have nor want "authority" over anyone's beliefs but my own.

Then why did you come to IIDB?

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i'm afraid the world is not nearly as limited as your conceptual abilities are implying to you, Biffy my Boy.

Apparently once you abolish reason all things are possible through faith…in your imagination

Biff the unclean · 06-10-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Rat

Can you please post a link to the exchange? I don't see how you got that out of the quote you posted earlier.

Apparently the writings of "Biff" are the same as the writings of the Bible. It doesn't really matter to the "faithful" what the words actually say…it's only what their "self-thought" wants them to say. So don't be such a Fundatheist. "It isn't really lying if you believe it."

King Rat · 06-10-2004, 02:05 PM

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Fundatheist

I guess theists have decided that just calling us plain old atheists has lost its sting.

I prefer Skeptomaniac myself, or possibly Rationhole...

Starboy · 06-10-2004, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brighid

I couldn't even begin to estimate how many of the tens of billions of theists all over the world agree with Regan. I do know many, many theists in this country and worldwide that couldn't disagree with him more. So I reserve my judgement of individual "theists" based upon their expressed notions and actions and not simply brand them all in the same stripe because some, even many may agree with such ridiculous sentiment as comes from the mouth of Regan. To do so would seem to be doing now better than those who so quickly brand atheists as unpatriotic, angry, etc.

Brighid

The kind acts of a few do not dismiss the atrocities of the few. Especially when the many look on and do nothing.

Starboy

xxthe_leewitxx · 06-10-2004, 02:42 PM

Could everyone please take a deep breath and count to ten (at least) before replying again? That is to say- cool it, folks.

Thank you,
the Leewit

blink · 06-10-2004, 03:14 PM

I prefer Skeptomaniac myself, or possibly Rationhole...

Ha Ha!

Anitra · 06-10-2004, 05:32 PM

From Is "Freethinker" Synonymous with Nontheist? by Jeffery Jay Lowder -- http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...0/lowder1.html
'(1) can a theist be a freethinker?; and (2) are all nontheists freethinkers? I shall argue that the answer to (1) is "yes" and the answer to (2) is "no." I shall then argue that nontheists should stop using the word "freethinker" as an umbrella term.'

I recommend reading the article while you take your deep breath and count to ten.

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06-10-2004, 12:12 PM	#43
King Rat Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,855	Can you please post a link to the exchange? I don't see how you got that out of the quote you posted earlier.

06-10-2004, 02:42 PM	#48
xxthe_leewitxx Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Here is where I am. Posts: 1,636	Could everyone please take a deep breath and count to ten (at least) before replying again? That is to say- cool it, folks. Thank you, the Leewit

06-10-2004, 03:14 PM	#49
blink Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the south Posts: 310	I prefer Skeptomaniac myself, or possibly Rationhole... Ha Ha!

06-10-2004, 05:32 PM	#50
Anitra Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 837	From Is "Freethinker" Synonymous with Nontheist? by Jeffery Jay Lowder -- http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...0/lowder1.html '(1) can a theist be a freethinker?; and (2) are all nontheists freethinkers? I shall argue that the answer to (1) is "yes" and the answer to (2) is "no." I shall then argue that nontheists should stop using the word "freethinker" as an umbrella term.' I recommend reading the article while you take your deep breath and count to ten.

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