Dilandau

I have given the proper translation of the word.

I have reasoned that translation by a look on the inner language structure.

I have given a vast ammount of background information to that translation, so close as tarot is the best tool to display hebrew alphabet shematics in depths, because tarot is directly based on the hebrew letters.

This alltogether can enable the understanding that is the base for a serious scientific research on the initial question.

I have even added some joy to it by using directly related modern imagery (the throne of jealousy of Ezekiel 8:3, the ufo viz vessel) of the state of art Anime Series "The Vision of Escaflowne", which is likely THE animated version of the tarot. Even if other series do correlate to the hebrew letters, too.

Marduk

Come on Kosh, quit putting us on. We all know who you are and where you Vorlons come from.


"does Heaven mean the sky"
snicker snicker snicker
like you didn't know



Untill the Christians came along with their Heaven as a place you go when you die, it has alway meant the sky above.
still does, we still use the term 'the heavens' to mean the sky.

Secular Pinoy

LOL, now this really creative. Fusing biblical translation, tarot reading, and Tengu no Escaflowne! And posting irrelevant anime pics. Go to the Media & Popular Culture forum, where anime discussions are more relevant.

And isn't there another verse in the bible that talked about an alien spaceship, made of metal I think?

Dilandau

All those hubbub mumbo jumbo things, including Ufos and Anime as well, are just SUITS for the understanding of the personal enlightment.

If most of that, what has been posted in this thread, does not suffer you, I righteously ask you, why have you clicked this thread? What did you expect to find or do / can do here? If you haven't got that or if you weren't able to do what you wanted to, what was missing or in the way? Would you PLEASE ASK explicitely for that what you did not yet get, because it surely won't appear or become possible just by tossing the unexpected stuff away. And the stuff that you did not expect, and came perhaps wasn't even meant for you, but for the initial caller.

What do you want? Tell me! I DO take this forum serious.

Volker.Doormann

KJB Gen 2:1: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4: These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRHEB80.htm

(8064) "shamayim shaw-mah'-yim: dual of an unused singular shameh {shaw-meh'}; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):--air, X astrologer, heaven(-s)."

Amlodhi

Dilandau is correct in that the Hebrew term "shamayim" (heavens) utilizes a "dual" grammatical ending usually reserved to indicate things in pairs, i.e. "ears", "hands", etc.

Interestingly, some other Hebrew terms with this dual grammatical construct are:

water = "mayim"

Egypt = "mitzrayim"

Jerusalem = "Y'rush'layim"

The original reasons for the dual constructions are simply no longer known.

Some speculations include:

Mayim - possibly "divided the waters from the waters"

Egypt & Jerusalem - possibly religious dualism i.e., Egypt and Jerusalem as the image of heaven; OR possibly Egypt and Jerusalem as divided kingdoms.

Heavens - possibly [from Strong's concordance] alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve.

Although the dual construct of "heavens" could conceivably also be the result of later religious dualism, it would require reconciling the usage in Gen. 1:1.

As to Ez. 8:3, however, the verse doesn't say that Ezekiel was lifted to heaven but "lifted . . . up between the earth and the heaven".

In addition, speculations about UFO trips are completely at odds with the context of the remainder of the chapter.

Ezekiel speaks here of being lifted "by a lock of (his) head" and brought "in visions" to Jerusalem.

These "visions" of Ezekiel are in regard to -former- profanations of the temple which resulted in the subsequent Babylonian captivity of Judea.

IOW, at the time these "visions" are said to have taken place, Ezekiel is captive in Babylon by the river Chebar and the temple he is having the "visions" of has already been destroyed.

Marduk

10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel.
11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.
12 And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had.
13 As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.
14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.
15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.
16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.
17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.
18 Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.
19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.

The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
(Whole Chapter: Ezekiel 1 In context: Ezekiel 1:15-17)


Ezekiel 10:9
And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone

Dilandau

Mitsrayim refers to upper egypt and lower egypt. In a special analysis of the ancients as done by Dr. Andis Kaulins, these two egypts do merely refer to lands on earth, but to the earth and the heaven of stars, both united by astronomy and megalithe and pyramid building. In tradition egypt is as metaphor for the cosmos. Jerusalayim: the comos renewed. The old Jerusalem in fact has been in egypt. See

http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi195.htm

that page he writes about judah. The thing with Jerusalem is somewhere else on the site i forgot.


Hezekiel future city he writes:

http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi167.htm

herein lies the origin of the christian belief, that all will be new and reborn "in heaven", i.e. the stars zodiak, actually just rearranged and that has been done allready over thousands of years ago.


The Bible Genesis uses astronomic cycles as a metaphor for an everlasting myth. The two heavens there are the duality of truth and truth, as i have clued to by earlier posts.

http://otaku.onlinehome.de/bible.html#zyxel

Dilandau

Btw, Heaven in aramaeic is Shamaya. What does the first verse of the christian "Father of ours" write for heaven in hebrew version? Heavend (dual)?

Dual may be logical because aya, the eye are two. And as i have clued before, heaven it's a matter of sight.