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Old 12-11-2005, 03:41 PM   #21
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Good point. I'm certainly willing to admit my God could very well be alegory. I do think 'Satan' is a personification of evil and temptation and not an actual being. Manufacturing a Satan lets people off the hook in my mind, of admitting the fault, the sin, lies with themselves. "It's not me! Satan made me do it!"

God could just be something I manufacture as a framework from which to view the world and not an actual being somewhere. But it works for me so I'll continue in it.
Holy fucking crap in a box you're an honest person.
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Er... in the interest of accuracy, the Hebrew word used for "back" in this verse is "achor", and while I'm not sure what that means, if God had shown his butt then they would have used the Hebrew word for butt, which is of course, "tuchis". So maybe God was just flexing his lats for Moses.
Thanks for the exegesis.

I've checked several different versions of god's divinely inspire word. So far I have hind parts, hind end, backside and arse. If anyone knows of more examples I'd be happy to add them to my list.

Tuchis, I think, is Yiddish. I'm too lazy to look it up, so it could be derived from Hebrew rather than from some Eastern European language.

If somebody knows more about its derivation, it would be nice if you would share the info.
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God could just be something I manufacture as a framework from which to view the world and not an actual being somewhere. But it works for me so I'll continue in it.
Good for you!

If it works, even though it's a placebo, who's to complain?
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Good for you!

If it works, even though it's a placebo, who's to complain?
Even placebos have a certain effect.

Be clear I still think there is a God but I'm not going to base my belief on non-existent evidence. I have to accept He may not be there, or is just something I build myself...And then decide that doesn't matter.

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Holy fucking crap in a box you're an honest person.
Well, in certain situations. I guess I just don't get the whole 'I have evidence for God' thing. It just seems beside the point. If you're going to practice faith, I would think the first thing you have to do is admit there's no evidence or reason behind it...Then make a choice about whether you want to have that faith or not. And then it's the practice of the faith that's important.

I think it's why I don't think atheists are 'wrong'. They've seen the same choice I have and just choosen a different path. It's people who would deny me the choice to believe in the absence of evidence that I have trouble with...some atheists and many fundamentalists.
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Even placebos have a certain effect.

Be clear I still think there is a God but I'm not going to base my belief on non-existent evidence. I have to accept He may not be there, or is just something I build myself...And then decide that doesn't matter.
Be careful.

There's also a nocebo affect. Recently, it has been found that placebos can hurt as well as help.

Good luck.
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It's people who would deny me the choice to believe in the absence of evidence that I have trouble with...some atheists and many fundamentalists.
You're free to believe whatever you want, but believing something in the absence of evidence is indulging in wishful thinking...it's simply a process of self deception.
Why do it to yourself? - Isn't the truth important to you?
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He's spreading evolution, taking prayer out of schools, making new Marilyn manson music, and making gay marriage legal.
You forgot to mention that he is also busy bashing Dubya.

Any republican voter knows that Satan is a democrat :-)

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You're free to believe whatever you want, but believing something in the absence of evidence is indulging in wishful thinking...it's simply a process of self deception.
Why do it to yourself? - Isn't the truth important to you?
What truth do you think I'm denying, other then the possible, 'there is no God,' by doing this?

And I don't think it's simply a process of self deception. It's a process of faith , of prayer and self reflection and like I said, having a framework to view the world. It's been very useful to me. As a society we use fiction novels to reveal truths, can't a person (assuming there is no God) use a fictional being for the same purpose?
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And I don't think it's simply a process of self deception. It's a process of faith,
Faith is the very essence of self deception;
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

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of prayer and self reflection and like I said, having a framework to view the world. It's been very useful to me. As a society we use fiction novels to reveal truths, can't a person (assuming there is no God) use a fictional being for the same purpose?
Fictional novels can reveal certain truths by putting together characters and situations in fictional ways, but their framework is based on the known, we know people exist, and we know the relationships they describe are possible, that's why we relate to them.
But what do you learn when you build a world view on a premise that has no basis in reality?
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Satan has powerful agents, such as Rock and Roll, drugs, secularism, Elvis, Music in general, sound waves, radio waves, the majority of the electromagnetic spectrum (ESPECIALLY the frequencies of 666 Hz, 666MHz, and 666GHz.)
notice that the colour red is aroundabout 666 nanometres in the visible spectrum? and is it a coincidence that Satan is portrayed as a red devil? I THINK NOT.

Plus, Satan has one up on god. He has the 'internet', 'teh interweb', AND 'teh internets' (Not the be confused with 'the internet'...)
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