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Originally Posted by achristianbeliever
Thanks Hydra ok Numbers chapter 31. That is a very popular one. I've even spoken about it in a previous thread about God's right to rule. First off before you condemn God for murdering women and children you cannot simply ignore where God does the opposite:
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See but you are still ignoring where "god" commands horrible things. Doing good things does not wipe out the bad... I don't see why your concept of "god" should get a free ride...
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Originally Posted by achristianbeliever
Deut 20:14-God tells them to avoid killing women and children. Then in verse 16 he seems to go BUT.... so it is clear that in general God does not want children killed but would rather they be assimilated in Hebrew culture. So to assume God would want all the children killed in certain circumstances for no reason seems very bizzarre. One would assume there is a reason for this change in command and we get one in Numbers 33:35.
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Does it matter what the reason for killing children is? I don't think it does. If you do it you're evil even if you don't think you are... Your "god" certainly advocates it clearly to me. I don't care if theres times he says not to. Its the times he says to that disturbs me.
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Originally Posted by achristianbeliever
"'But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live." So God is literally saying if you leave any remaining they will be a threat to you.
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Do you not see anything wrong with this?
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Now claim that the children were not a threat but then one gets into the whole if you could go back in time and kill Hitler as a baby would you sort of questioning which really doesn't have a specific answer. Now claim this was overkill but you have to admit God did it out of what he felt was protection for the Hebrew people.
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I don't buy this line of "reasoning". Not one hair. If you went back and killed hitler as a baby I would call you an Evil baby Killer. Much better would be to go back and try to teach him not to hate and that all people are brothers.
This is reality and theres no time travel. So it isn't a real issue.
We try people for the crimes they commit not the ones they might commit. You claiming that "GOD" says its ok to kill children "just this once" is just your bullshit way to justify somthing EVIL!!
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Can I tell you what I feel is the most troubling aspect of this section? For me the most troubling section is where he talks about keeping some alive. This seems very bizzarre when one considers where God spoke about the danger of leaving any of them alive. I can only assume that multiplication of the Hebrew people was of primary importance that superseded the threat of having every single person killed. Now I'm sure some of you think this was overkill but it doesn't change the fact that God made this order due to protection of the Hebrew people and not out of some hatred over the Midianite people. Even today we accept the idea of collatoral damage and don't necessarily consider that the equiviliant to infanticide.
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So what if "god" wants to protect his people!! He is telling "His People" to commit horrible acts against other people.
You might accept the idea of collatoral damage and be ok with it but I don't. You might be able to ignore all the death but I can't. Your "god" will not get any Blank Checks from me....
When we go to war we don't EVER tell our soldiers to kill children on purpose!!! Its totally not the same!!! Hes trying to destroy a people not just conquer them and give them "morals".
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Originally Posted by achristianbeliever
Psalm 137:9-Again a very popular point and one that should be looked at. But again I ask you the question of motive. Why is God or the Israelite people wanting this action to be done?
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Sigh.. Motive??? Does it matter all that much? Hes still telling people to kill children on purpose.
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*pout*
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Oh this is very convincing...
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No reason to bother going any further the rest will obviously be rant of how the Bible clearly describes a mean God with no refutation to anything I've written.
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Whats there to refute. I just disagree that you can justify these commands as not being evil.
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Originally Posted by achristianbeliever
Exactly how I'm ignoring when I'm speaking on it I do not know. Say that I'm giving false justification if you want but your being disingenuous if you say I'm ignoring it.
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Not ignoring exactly... I just dont see how you can justify these commands and still think you have good morals and worship a good god. Its certainly not "Good" in the way I think of "Good".
Your "GOOD" seems to be the same as a vicious pit bull that only likes you and will tear the larynx out of anyone else.... The dog might be "good" for you but I wouldn't term that a "GOOD" dog. :huh:
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I clearly worked hard on my answer and all you guys can do is pout and say, "God is so clearly evil blah blah blah does this means you want to kill other people if you find this action justifiable blah blah blah". There was clearly no scholarly work from any of you.
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So you worked hard on your answer? Great.. Maybe your answer didn't address the things we are bringing up in the same way you thought they would. Why are you so ready to defend "god" when he tells people to kill children? Why would any reason be a good reason to command the killing of children? Why is a command by a president to purposely kill children EVIL? Why is it different for your god? If your president commanded killing of all the children of another country that threatened yours, would that be evil? I think it would be evil and I don't see why it should be different for god.
Please try to convince me why you are right.
06-20-2007, 06:23 PM
