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Transient · 09-28-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ktotwf

Wait, is the association of someone to Australia an insult now?

Well I used the word mate which where I am is a friendly term once in a post but when it gets thrown back at you 5 times in a post and some dig about country of origin and the question dodged then that appears like insult to me.

TimBowe · 09-28-2009, 08:40 PM

Sheshbazzar the only thing that is pathetic and funny is your inability to grasp that a large number of respectable historians support the historical Jesus for good reasons.

Doug Shaver · 09-28-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBowe

The Evidence For Jesus

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...discover2.html

Please guys, read some of this and respond.

Craig is not arguing in that essay for Jesus' historicity. In that essay, he is arguing for the gospels' historical reliability, and his argument assumes Jesus' historicity.

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Originally Posted by William Lane Craig

if we want any details about Jesus’s life and teachings, we must turn to the New Testament. Extra-biblical sources confirm what we read in the gospels, but they don’t really tell us anything new. The question then must be: how historically reliable are the New Testament documents? [Emphasis added.]

Transient · 09-28-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBowe

Sheshbazzar the only thing that is pathetic and funny is your inability to grasp that a large number of respectable historians support the historical Jesus for good reasons.

"Good" reasons?
I didn't think that the reasons cited on the pages I followed your links to looked "good". They looked like reasons coming from a preformed position and a desire to maintain that position.
One link refuted what you said completely and backed the complete opposite case to show that no satisfactory evidence exists.

This debate, if you like to call it that, is futile.

Doug Shaver · 09-28-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBowe

a large number of respectable historians support the historical Jesus for good reasons.

You say so. Try proving it. Tell us what those good reasons are.

Barefoot Bree · 09-28-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBowe

Because the Christ myth theory is not accepted by mainstream critical scholarship. It's really very simple.

That doesn't really answer my question. Why are you so worked up about proving us wrong? (Yes, I'm a MJer myself. No, I'm not a scholar.)

TimBowe · 09-28-2009, 08:50 PM

Yes your not a scholar, you will never be a scholar, you dont need to be a scholar. But what you need to do is to explain how a theory that has a very limited acceptance in relevant scholarly circles and is opposed by nearly all historians, is something you find no difficulty supporting.

TimBowe · 09-28-2009, 08:53 PM

You don't find it difficult because you don't care, none of you people care.

Barefoot Bree · 09-28-2009, 08:53 PM

Care about what, exactly?

TimBowe · 09-28-2009, 08:55 PM

The truth

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09-28-2009, 08:40 PM	#112
TimBowe Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oak Lawn, IL Posts: 1,620	Sheshbazzar the only thing that is pathetic and funny is your inability to grasp that a large number of respectable historians support the historical Jesus for good reasons.

09-28-2009, 08:50 PM	#117
TimBowe Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oak Lawn, IL Posts: 1,620	Yes your not a scholar, you will never be a scholar, you dont need to be a scholar. But what you need to do is to explain how a theory that has a very limited acceptance in relevant scholarly circles and is opposed by nearly all historians, is something you find no difficulty supporting.

09-28-2009, 08:53 PM	#118
TimBowe Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oak Lawn, IL Posts: 1,620	You don't find it difficult because you don't care, none of you people care.

09-28-2009, 08:53 PM	#119
Barefoot Bree Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: East of ginger trees Posts: 12,637	Care about what, exactly?

09-28-2009, 08:55 PM	#120
TimBowe Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oak Lawn, IL Posts: 1,620	The truth

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