Duvduv

It's so tiring to hear you continually repeat that word "compatible".......Can't you try something else for a change? And you keep jumping back and forth. Please reread my last posting S L O W L Y .

aa5874

You don't want to read anything that contradicts your Imagination.

I am waiting for you to PRESENT the evidence that support your argument that there was NO Jesus cult BEFORE the 4th century.

You will NOT present any evidence--just your imagination.

Now, PLEASE Tell me??? Do you even have any undated source of antiquity that is COMPATIBLE with Your Imagination that the Jesus cult orignated in the 4th century???

Do you have even a 20 word Sentence in any texts of antiquity [dated or undated] that is compatible with what you imagine that the Jesus cult is from the 4th century???

Duvduv

What the hell difference does "compatible" make? For heaven's sake, doesn't logical inference or common sense play any role? If the Bhagavad Gita has elements that are compatible, does that mean its an ancient source for the development of Christianity?!

The fact is that in the context of that Apology the writer attempts to appeal to the EMPEROR for what is argued to be a tiny persecuted sect that presumably the emperor never heard of. And here comes along this writer, and doesn't even tell the emperor anything about the location of this sect, who are included in the appeal and who are not (unless you infer from the bogeyman Marcion that his sect is not included), who their leaders are, where they came from, etc.

He doesn't even mention the NAME of his Old Man, and you mean to tell me this has ANY significance whatsoever for the second century? His awareness of Jesus stories makes no distinction at all among the competing gospels that he allegedly knows, preferring to lump them all together without distinction as "Memoirs of the Apostles" (whose names he doesn't even name a single time). And of course the Emperor in all his majesty is just supposed to take his word for it, because he is the great "Justin".
Give me a break. Use your rational senses and stop repeating the same refrain about "compatible" this or that.
Take away the 2nd century dating of the fake Apology and what do you have left for epistles and gospels in the second century?? The unknown backdated Irenaeus?! And with both out the window, you don't have any gospels or epistles in the first or second centuries, which Orthodox Academic Dogma cannot possibly tolerate.

aa5874

All you have to do is to PRESENT the Evidence for your argument that the Jesus cult originated in the 4th century. That is all.

I am WAITING.

But, I know you will only post what you IMAGINE.

Duvduv

Go ahead, keep cutting and pasting and engaging in diversion. It won't change my questions, inferences and opinions. Before you get to the 4th century, address my points about the 2nd century. Let me help you: In which century was there a central authority that adopted "Christian" teachings ands had the means, motive and opportunity to implement this system?

Sheshbazzar

Do you aa, have any paleographic or C 14 evidence that the alleged writings of 'Justin' were known in the 2nd century???
YOU DON'T.
You are arguing yet have NO evidence whatsoever to support a 2nd century origin of the Justin's alleged writings.

You are employing a blatant double standard when your citations of Justin's alleged writings are also unsupported by any paleographic or C14 evidence, that very same criteria that you continually demand here MUST be provided for Pauline writings.

As you claim that Justin's writings came first, How about you provide us with all of your paleographic and C14 evidence for the dating of the writings of Justin ?

aa5874

I have NOT ever claimed that writings attributed to Justin Martyr have been dated by Paleography or C14 so your implications are BLATANTLY mis-leading.

I have STATED many times that the writings ATTRIBUTED to Justin are COMPATIBLE with the RECOVERED DATED TEXTS.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

I am using Apologetic writings that ARE COMPATIBLE with the RECOVERED DATED TEXTS such as Justin Martyr, Aristides, Theophilus of Antioch, Athenagoras of Athens, Minucius Felix, Arnobius and Tatian.

aa5874

Again, you have FAILED to present any evidence for your argument that the Jesus cult originated in the 4th century.

Questions are NOT evidence, except perphaps evidence that you are confused.

Duvduv

And your "evidence" for the second century is an unsubstantiated poorly written book claimed to have been written by someone named Justin attributed to the second century by some ancient propagandists. And you call this "evidence"?? Or perhaps just "selective evidence."

Sheshbazzar

No 'implication' there to 'mislead' anyone. Nothing I wrote even suggested that you had made such a claim.

Simply requested you to PROVIDE that exact same type and level of 2nd century evidence for your preferred patron(s) as you are demanding of everyone else here.
There should be nothing objectionable or unreasonable about holding yourself to the same standards of evidence that you continually and repeatedly require and DEMAND of everyone else.