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charis · 01-11-2005, 04:02 AM

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Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Sorry, I see that's already been mentioned. But what's the response?

Hello J-D,
To be honest, I thought you were not serious about this reference. That is why I even answered.
That is a Parable!!!

Classical · 01-11-2005, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by charis

Do you know from scientific research that even water changes its structure under the good or bad influenc? Prayer, classical music... made water structure beautiful; curses, scandals, some type of hard rock music made its structure terrible. Did you hear that? You can blame God for anything.

What in the world are you talking about?! :huh:

I have three degrees in music and I never, ever heard the claim that classical music can make "water structure beautiful."

Please, give us a little documentation for such wild claims!

Lucretius · 01-11-2005, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by charis

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Do you know from scientific research that even water changes its structure under the good or bad influenc? Prayer, classical music... made water structure beautiful; curses, scandals, some type of hard rock music made its structure terrible. :

Isn't that like the "mood slime" thing in the Ghostbusters film?

Cant remember if it's Ghostbusters I or II the one with the Statue of Liberty in it anyway
To get back to the OP it's a "burning" issue as at times throughout the history of Christianity a lot of people literally got burned for not believing or for believing the wrong type of Christianity,and we don't want those days to return .

Chaupoline · 01-11-2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Classical

What in the world are you talking about?! :huh:

I have three degrees in music and I never, ever heard the claim that classical music can make "water structure beautiful."

Please, give us a little documentation for such wild claims!

Charis is probably talking about a study by Dr. Emoto involving water and attitude. They talked about this in the movie What the Bleep do we know?

http://www.whatthebleep.com

Plognark · 01-11-2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by charis

Stormlight and other guys,
Please, do not read into or misinterprete me. I did not say that God killed people or made this earthquake.
Do you know from scientific research that even water changes its structure under the good or bad influenc? Prayer, classical music... made water structure beautiful; curses, scandals, some type of hard rock music made its structure terrible. Did you hear that? You can blame God for anything. Do you belive in Him or not?
And please, do not frighten me, I am not against you. OK? :wave:

Emphasis mine. What we have here is DAFT PSEUDOSCIENCE :down:

King Rat · 01-11-2005, 09:41 AM

So Dr. Emoto discovered that sound waves can be transmitted in water and the resulting vibrations can be seen...

...wow.

He's several years behind, but I guess you can't blame him for trying. I wonder if the recent tsunami is in any way related to vibrations?

Chaupoline · 01-11-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 655321

So Dr. Emoto discovered that sound waves can be transmitted in water and the resulting vibrations can be seen...

...wow.

He's several years behind, but I guess you can't blame him for trying. I wonder if the recent tsunami is in any way related to vibrations?

No, it is diffrent than sonar.

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Dr. Masaru Emoto was born in Japan and is a graduate of the Yokohama Municipal University and the Open International University as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine. His photographs were first featured in his self-published books Messages from Water 1 and 2. The Hidden Messages in Water was first published in Japan, with over 400,000 copies sold internationally.

What has put Dr. Emoto at the forefront of the study of water is his proof that thoughts and feelings affect physical reality. By producing different focused intentions through written and spoken words and music and literally presenting it to the same water samples, the water appears to "change its expression".

Essentially, Dr. Emoto captured water's 'expressions.' He developed a technique using a very powerful microscope in a very cold room along with high-speed photography, to photograph newly formed crystals of frozen water samples. Not all water samples crystallize however. Water samples from extremely polluted rivers directly seem to express the 'state' the water is in.

Dr. Masaru Emoto discovered that crystals formed in frozen water reveal changes when specific, concentrated thoughts are directed toward them. He found that water from clear springs and water that has been exposed to loving words shows brilliant, complex, and colorful snowflake patterns. In contrast, polluted water, or water exposed to negative thoughts, forms incomplete, asymmetrical patterns with dull colors.

The implications of this research create a new awareness of how we can positively impact the earth and our personal health. The success of his books outside Japan has been remarkable. Dr. Emoto has been called to lecture around the world as a result and has conducted live experiments both in Japan and Europe as well as in the US to show how indeed our thoughts, attitudes, and emotions as humans deeply impact the environment.

http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals

King Rat · 01-11-2005, 10:35 AM

I can't believe I'm responding to this.

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No, it is diffrent than sonar.

Doesn't have to be sonor. Place a half-full cup of water on top of one of your stereo speakers, play music.

End of experiment.

funinspace · 01-11-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 655321

So Dr. Emoto discovered that sound waves can be transmitted in water and the resulting vibrations can be seen...

...wow.

He's several years behind, but I guess you can't blame him for trying. I wonder if the recent tsunami is in any way related to vibrations?

What? God had gas, and farts off the rictor scale...

charis · 01-11-2005, 10:39 AM

Hello Chaupoline,

Thank you for your help. That is what I meant. I watched this scientific film in Russia.

Sorry, guys, I could not give you the reference immediately.
And please, do not interprete me wrong again.
I mentioned this reaserch just to consider that evil can influence even the nature.

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01-11-2005, 09:41 AM	#96
King Rat Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,855	So Dr. Emoto discovered that sound waves can be transmitted in water and the resulting vibrations can be seen... ...wow. He's several years behind, but I guess you can't blame him for trying. I wonder if the recent tsunami is in any way related to vibrations?

01-11-2005, 10:39 AM	#100
charis Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 35	Hello Chaupoline, Thank you for your help. That is what I meant. I watched this scientific film in Russia. Sorry, guys, I could not give you the reference immediately. And please, do not interprete me wrong again. I mentioned this reaserch just to consider that evil can influence even the nature.

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