spin

This is probably correct. Usually, when someone errs regarding religion, they do so sincerely. You do so because you sincerely refuse to read the whole text and its implications.

Banal recourse to Hitler rhetoric usually indicates you lose your little game play. You don't need such silliness.


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Phlox Pyros

You didn't read very well yourself. Virgin may be used in this context even if it does not mean a literal virgin after birth. Zippo for you...


LOL Am I just "crapping for the sound of it", or are you?? My bet is on you, especially since you always act as if you know more than everyone else. Yeah, right... I'm sure all-knowledgeable spin is familiar with Sidney Jellicoe, known for his informative book on the Septuagint, who states the following:

Hmm...methinks spins spin is spinning into crap.

Duh...did you read what I wrote?? Trypho does not matter because he is after the standardization of the text of the HB. Before, there were multiple copies, some of which very well might have contained bethulah.

Knock, knock...Hello, McFly?

I'm not arguing for theology... Hello, McFly???

The context allows bethulah. You are failing miserably in your own rebuttal attempts.

Still harping on the irrelevant Trypho? You do have the intellectual capacity to understand the underlying case, right? That was a joke...if you can actually stop the spin for a brief moment in time and stop thinking that you know more about the languages and history than anyone here, you might learn something new. Asking too much, right?

Phlox Pyros

Banal recourse to insincere accusations of apologetics usually indicates you lose your little game play, spin.

Phlox Pyros

Oh yeah, spin. This means that your apologetics without evidence in respect to Josephus is dead if you can't engage the arguments on a sincere level here. Spin away....spin, spin, spin.... ROFL

spin

There is nothing either banal or insincere in my sympathy with your motives for not reading the whole text. And I even appreciate your recourse to repeating my phraseology as a sign of your esteem.


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Phlox Pyros

That would be more like contempt. LOL :notworthy:

Gamera

Several posters have made the argument that parthenos doesn't mean virgin. Your claims about the semantic range of parthenos, analogizing it to the "man-father" range, again, makes me think you don't understand semantic range.

Parthenos usually means virgin, though it's possible for it to mean young lady, much as our word maiden can mean both. Almah apparently has a similar range, but with usage more outside the "virgin" range.

This is in no way analogous to the "man-father" sematic range, since generally man is used not to designate father, whereas generally parthenos is used to designate virgin.

I'm arguing both.

First, I'm arguing that arguably Isaiah meant "virgin" since almah includes virgin in its semantic range and Isaiah seems to indicate the sign has something to do with this birth (as opposed to subsequent events). I understand there are rabbinical interpretations that take issue with this, though they seem more strained that the one I just gave.

Second, I'm arguing, whatever Isaiah meant, it's probable that the Jewish translators of the Septuagint meant virgin, since the semantic range of parthenos tends much more toward virgin than any number of other Greek words they could have chosen. This would further account for the appearance of the virgin birth motive in early Christian narratives, since the idea had to come from somewhere, and classic Greek mythology simply isn't structurally similar on this matter.

Phlox Pyros

Gamera, parthenos means virgin in Isaiah... You're never going to get the apologists to admit it, even in the face of quotes such as I have presented from scholars. Keep trying if you wish, but I doubt they'll see the error in their apologetic ways. :huh:

spin

Meaningful response. Virginity is, as I have said, irrelevant to the text. You avoid the issue. Just read the text.

Getting philosophical.

Spouting names won't help you. If you have no reasoned arguments, then taci.

You're suffering from rephlox, obviously.

You have no evidence for lack of standardization of the text. Trypho knows the text. You don't.

No, you're not arguing at all.

Pregnant woman, giving birth, etc. What has virginity got to do with the passage. Nothing of course. Live with it. Oh, I forgot: you've got commitments to fall over.

Still pushing tarted up Greek myths? Trypho has already condemned your stuff as irrelevant in Justin's time.

When you get around to making an underlying case.

As you've made such a schemozzle of a relatively plain text, you know, a young pregnant woman, etc., shown no reason why "virgin" has anything to do with Isa 7:14, when it disturbs the original text, argued from a text you cannot date -- when was LXX Isaiah translated anyway? You wouldn't know.

A god that can't tell good and evil.. what sorta god's that??


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Ignostic Morgan

Matthew just made up the story or this Jesus fellow planned event s according to his adjusting the passages in question.Anyway ,what rational person cares to follow that nut? Christinsanity just reads in to the Old Fables what it wants to .The apologist will not reconsider t his nonsense ,because she is ,in effect. neurotic metaphisically .