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Chili · 12-01-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

It's only to say that in Galatia he had a physical illness, something all are susceptible to. We may suppose that his illness did not stop him from gathering interested Galatians and passing on the gospel.

I see, and I can see why as I have heared it said that they created the legend that 'storks bring babies' but you must feed them a Galatian first and so do him favor to end his insanity and get him 'new life' sooner as well . . . which so is where the stork gets his babies from, naturally, and that image would make anybody sick except the Galations who thought that they needed to die first before new life comes. :banghead:

Chili · 12-06-2011, 09:40 PM

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What's so disreputable about Marcion?

What's reputable about Marcion?

The same as is what is reputable about Moses or Billy Graham

Chili · 12-06-2011, 09:45 PM

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An objective examination of the evidence would conclude that Marcion is a very early witness to the gospel. One of many who seem to have held to the idea that Jesus was not the Christ of the Old Testament. You can't just argue that because you don't like someone's point of view that makes them disreputable. That's even too self-serving for this forum.

That may be so but the secret is not to witness the gospel but to live it and write you own, or perhaps prior to us by nature and read about it there.

Chili · 12-06-2011, 09:48 PM

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The author of the Short-ending gMark wrote a carefully crafted story.

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And much, much to crafty to stand on its own and more like a quilted patchwork with Matthew and John.

Chili · 12-06-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

An objective examination of the evidence would conclude that Marcion is a very early witness to the gospel. One of many who seem to have held to the idea that Jesus was not the Christ of the Old Testament. You can't just argue that because you don't like someone's point of view that makes them disreputable. That's even too self-serving for this forum.

Mark's Jesus was not the Christ and one does not have to look very close to see that he went to hell . . . if hell equals continued purgation until death as John so elaborated on in John 6:49, 58, and then identified them in John 6:66.

Chili · 12-17-2011, 04:54 AM

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While trying to discover where someone had heard about magi traveling in groups of 120, I chanced upon this. This is exactly the story that Brent Landau claims is new and unique!

In the Eastern Church, where, it would seem, there was less desire to find symbolic meanings than to magnify the circumstances of the history, the traditions assume a different character. The Magi arrive at Jerusalem with a retinue of 1000 men, having left behind them, on the further bank of the Euphrates, an army of 7000

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The Dissertation is actually quite good. From it, it is clear that the story related in the Latin Opus Imprefectum in Mattheum homily 2, itself a translation of a lost Greek text, which is itself probably a translation of a Syriac text, is very close in content to the Syriac Revelation of the Magi preserved in the Chronicle of Zuqnin.

Why Landau would release such a cheezy popular rendition of the story I don't know. Perhaps he feels it is somehow uplifting ...

DCH

. . . who must have squeezed their eye shut at night, hard, so they would see stars and found the lost manuscript. And their descendants are many and are on TV every day, I think, and keep every nation on fire for the lord, but left the banks of the Eu-phrates themselves in search for virgins in all directions to be yoked to the cross of slavery and sin, as children, I suppose, with no release to be found untill they die nonetheless.

And the latter days are still coming today because fire is fire and wine is wine to be either heaven on earth or small tidbits to keep the fire going on earth as the wrath of God with no relief by day or by night, as of course, you cannot have the first beast without there being a second beast to empower the first who does not have a winery of his own, nor tits on its belly to nurture his own.

So three cheers for Landau and may the saints go marching on, but I like to read that they left the very banks of the eu-phrates (bright-mind) to look for wisdom elsewhere.

. . . and sorry about the Jockeys spell.

Chili · 12-18-2011, 07:30 AM

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[ Actually, the evidence suggests that Paul was completely fabricated. It would appear Ireneaus and Tertullian probably existed but most likely, wholly or in part, did NOT write many of the books atrributed to them.

It is clear to me that the Pauline writings as found written are a Pack of Lies with the intention to DECEIVE. The Pauline writings are based on a Fictitious event, the post-resurrection sighting of Jesus.

Not even the authors of the Gospels, Not even the LATE author of gJohn, claimed OVER 500 people saw the resurrected Jesus.

The Earliest Gospel in the Canon stated that even the visitors to the Empty Tomb told NO-ONE that Jesus was resurrected because they were AFRAID. See Mark 16.8

Of course they were afraid to tell because that Jesus went to hell and doyou not see the drama in this?

And Paul was the cloak of faith like the Hebrew garment, and do you not see the tradition in this that makes us Catholic instead of Christian in the Church Millitant without guns? while the Christian church will pick up arms and spend the nations fortune to defend their error? while paving the way for truth that is emergent from their error like Plato's diolague where truth is wrought out of the confrontation?

Chili · 12-18-2011, 08:06 AM

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By the way, the disciples were NOT called Christians during the time of Tiberius based on the VERY NT.[/b]

Jesus did NOT start any new religion under the name of Christ in the EARLIEST Jesus story of gMark.

And people were FIRST called Christians DURING the time of CLAUDIUS, at least 3 years AFTER the death of Tiberius.

And disciples are never Christians as Christian is the end of religion and is wherein religion find its end wherein disciples are raised to be with Christ and if you are an apostle short you'll be in hell and that is the only reason why disciples are part of the story. People/ believers should never be called Christians as there is no plural with only one 'eidos' wherein the disciples are raised to be gnostic and no longer believer that you now may call 'solitary individual' as poustinic instead of hermit.

Chili · 12-18-2011, 08:18 AM

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I also still think that the name Paulus as the author of letters of varied ideology was originally not intended as a personal name but as a descriptive pseudonym "the Small One" used by more than one personof a non-gospelist sect. Indeed, so much of the literature well into the 4th century shows no interest in the worldly teachings and life of the Gospel Christ at all.

There was no Christ in the Gospel until after it was finished and then only in John where Christ was exposed at the foot of the cross by Jesus on the cross. So the Gospels are an exposition of the difference between heaven and hell and how to get there but is not for Christians who are already there,

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