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Old 10-01-2004, 12:34 PM   #11
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I think I understand your question, and the answer is 'No'. God cannot do 'wrong'.
A little trite perhaps, but what does that say about his omnipotence?

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Here are two scenarios proposed by a literal apologist to suggest that God could conceivably be judged to have acted immorally:



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Well, as both of those scenarios are on the 'Right after the Snowball fight in Hell' list, I feel pretty comfortable saying that if God ever did either of those things He would have a good reason. Even if we didn't know it.
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A little trite perhaps, but what does that say about his omnipotence?

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Can God do wrong?

Of course He can do wrong in our eyes and with our intellect and with our sensitivity.

None of which makes it "wrong".

Now the more important question is "Can God do wrong in His own eyes, in His own intellect and in His own sensitivity?"

That is a toss up.

But I say God can do any damned thing He pleases-----or He would most obviously not be God.

So--------I say God can do wrong in His own eyes. And not be in the least bit bothered by it. Nor should we.

My God could easily say to himself ----

"self--- I sure fucked up on that one---but what the hell--I can do it over. Maybe I'll get it better next time---or the time after that"

Now fundies and atheists may have some problems with that.

But I don't
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Sure. When I say that a person of faith may not agree with or understand God's actions, that isn't a judgement of God, but rather of humanity. Just because our finite intellect cannot fathom God's plan, that doesn't mean that there isn't one. When something happens that I don't like, or that I don't see as 'fair', I don't blame God. Although that can be very easy to do, and many believers fall into that mindset, even if only temporarily. It doesn't mean that they think God is wrong, but rather that they are angry that God did not do what they wanted Him to do. Kind of like a spoiled child.


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Now, considering VERY CAREFULLY what you have just written, how can you possibly judge that was God has done is good?
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No, it just means that the moderator in the forum where this thread was started thought that it would be more appropriate here.

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Now, considering VERY CAREFULLY what you have just written, how can you possibly judge that was God has done is good?

Because He is my Father, and wants what is good for me. What is good for me is not always what I like. It's like this. Medicine can taste pretty nasty, but if I am sick I take it anyway, and be grateful that it is available to me. Now my child may not have the same POV. All my child would know is that I am forcing some nasty crap down their throat when they already feel rotten. They don't understand. Does that make me 'wrong' for giving them the medicine? Should I wait until they understand the consequences of bacterial infection and the properties of antibiotics before I medicate them? Or should I go ahead, knowing that they will not be happy with me for a while, but that they will get better, and eventually come to understand? We are but children to God, no matter how intellectual and grown up we believe ourselves to be.


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No, it just means that the moderator in the forum where this thread was started thought that it would be more appropriate here.

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Cool. Thanks, Cynthia. :wave:
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Because He is my Father, and wants what is good for me. What is good for me is not always what I like. It's like this. Medicine can taste pretty nasty, but if I am sick I take it anyway, and be grateful that it is available to me. Now my child may not have the same POV. All my child would know is that I am forcing some nasty crap down their throat when they already feel rotten. They don't understand. Does that make me 'wrong' for giving them the medicine? Should I wait until they understand the consequences of bacterial infection and the properties of antibiotics before I medicate them? Or should I go ahead, knowing that they will not be happy with me for a while, but that they will get better, and eventually come to understand? We are but children to God, no matter how intellectual and grown up we believe ourselves to be.


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But...surely in God's case, his medicine is only good for you because of what he has threatened to do to you when you die? It's more like an antitoxin rather than a medicine ... and God's the one injecting the venom. Doesn't sound like much of a dad to me!

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