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Old 01-17-2006, 10:17 PM   #11
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What will you do to me if I don't follow your religion?
It depends on how much you don't follow. Certain laws must be adhered to. If you were to rob someone, we would punish you. However, if you can adhere to the morals, but not believe our god, then we have no problem with you.
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Old 01-18-2006, 12:20 AM   #12
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It is immoral to let someone starve to death, yet it is immoral to steal. We wouldn't ever allow a starving person to steal, because we would always feed them first.
The iron rice bowl kind of thingy? No holy roller or indoctrinating soup kitchens? What supports this effort? Volunteers or is there a subsidized cadre?

What is the ideal or who would be the personification of this religion? Who would the adherents try to emulate? What standards would they aspire to?

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What exactly is a sin again?
Sin is wrongdoing with a theological cast as opposed to wrongdoing with a neutral ethical cast.

(US Law, Judeo Christian law, allows for several different kinds of the taking of life going from accidental manslaughter, 'you should have knowed anyway' to laying in wait. I am not sure that Shuria Law makes the same distinctions. Taking a life could be taking a life could be taking a life. Which brings up another question. What about Civil law? Divorces etc. i.e. would it be sufficient for a man, or for a woman for that matter, to go and stand on a street corner and loudly proclaim 'I divorce you' three times (especially after they just won or inherited $25M) for that divorce to be binding? What if there were children?)

(This is the kind of situation where extremely dedicated followers and acolytes come in handy. Just three hots and a cot (three hot meals a day and a warm dry place to sleep with a bed and sheets and blankets) may not get you the suitable calibre of folks you desire.)
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Old 01-18-2006, 12:39 AM   #13
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The iron rice bowl kind of thingy? No holy roller or indoctrinating soup kitchens? What supports this effort? Volunteers or is there a subsidized cadre?
Soup kitchens? Frugality, my dear. Communal dinners, I suppose, and everyone gets a fair share.

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What is the ideal or who would be the personification of this religion? Who would the adherents try to emulate? What standards would they aspire to?
The Exemplar is to be emulated. The Exemplar follows the three virtues and the keeps the three duties. All strive for these.

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Sin is wrongdoing with a theological cast as opposed to wrongdoing with a neutral ethical cast.
No concept of sin.

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What about Civil law? Divorces etc. i.e. would it be sufficient for a man, or for a woman for that matter, to go and stand on a street corner and loudly proclaim 'I divorce you' three times (especially after they just won or inherited $25M) for that divorce to be binding? What if there were children?)
Civil law is intimately tied into religious law. Civil life is intimately tied into religious life. Marriage is a sacred institution, and thus marriages for money or materialist benefits are not only frowned upon and discouraged, but seen as erroneous. And $25M does not exist. To accept $25M would be to defy frugality.

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(This is the kind of situation where extremely dedicated followers and acolytes come in handy. Just three hots and a cot (three hot meals a day and a warm dry place to sleep with a bed and sheets and blankets) may not get you the suitable calibre of folks you desire.)
It's a bit more and less than three hots and a cot.
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"Why do you believe what you believe?"

"What makes something good or evil?"

"Could you be wrong?"
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Do you have holy days or festivals?
What's your favourite?
Why?



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"Why do you believe what you believe?"
Because it makes the most sense.

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The effects of an action.

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Yes, many of them.

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What's your favourite? Why?
Probably the festival of harvest where all the food is gathered and everyone eats heartily.
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Probably the festival of harvest where all the food is gathered and everyone eats heartily.

That's a good one. I like harvest festivals. The year's work is finally done & everyone can relax abit, taking time out to party before hunkering down for the winter.
And of course, the food! MmmMMmmmMMmmm!!



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It depends on how much you don't follow. Certain laws must be adhered to. If you were to rob someone, we would punish you. However, if you can adhere to the morals, but not believe our god, then we have no problem with you.
Well:
which laws must be adhered to? And why (in your religion's opinion)?
what are your religion's morals and where do these morals come from?
who is/what is/why is/whatever is your god? Can you define him/her/it/them completely, and - if not - what about him/her/it/them can you define?

More generally:
Does your god exist?
Should I believe your god? Why (in your religion's opinion)?
Why do you believe your god?
Is there no punishment (either now or later) if I don't believe your god?

Just a few for now ....
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which laws must be adhered to? And why (in your religion's opinion)?
They cannot violate the 3 virtues pertaining to the laity as defined by the Traditions of the Elders. Mostly these prohibitions are against murder, thievery, lying, and hypocrisy.

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what are your religion's morals and where do these morals come from?
Morals, as in mores, or social norms? There are plenty of writings dealing with them, although everything stems from the 3 virtues and 3 duties.

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who is/what is/why is/whatever is your god? Can you define him/her/it/them completely, and - if not - what about him/her/it/them can you define?
God is all the Natural Laws inseperated. Actually, God is very insignificant for living - there's almost a dichotomy between theology and pragmatics.

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Does your god exist?
Yes.

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Should I believe your god? Why (in your religion's opinion)?
Because you exist.

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Why do you believe your god?
Believe my God? How can I believe my God? My God doesn't talk.

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Is there no punishment (either now or later) if I don't believe your god?
Of course not.

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Just a few for now ....
Thank you for your questions. I appreciate it.
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