gregor

Something I find funny in many CHRISTIANS, especially militant ones, is that they tend to insist on interpreting the Bible AS SUPPORTING THEIR CURRENT POLITICAL AGENDA. . . NOT strange.

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Sure, the Bible and Jesus opposed slavery - I guess the southern christians in 1840 were misinterpreting the Bible.

Toto

The name"Christodoulos" is not uncommon today in Greece - slave of Christ, which is what Paul called himself. I think it has the same connotations as Slave of Love.

The Bible was not opposed to slavery - slavery was just a fact of life.

Moses Finley appears to be an interesting source.

Ancient Slavery and Modern Ideology

Chili

Correct but that is Love with a capital L which is opposite to love with a small l.

chimaira

Thank you all .

Thank toto and other's, i call of gospels, exemple .

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.


I seek a verse or Jesus approves somebody because it has slaves, know verse?

Bye bye

yummyfur

Well, obviously there are all the verses in the NT, that approve of God, who was considered the slave master of all, by the same texts.

In Matthew 25:14-30 Jesus likens the Kingdom of Heaven to a slave owner.

spin

What are you doing here Haran? This is a site for infidels and you don't fit the category. Now you are complaining about "atheists, especially militant ones".

Why come here and sell politically correct christianity when what you are selling doesn't fit the literature you base your sales pitch on?

The citation from Ephesians says to masters that they can go on with their use of slaves (the significance of doulos is clear). It is tacitly in favour of slavery. It doesn't say that christians who have slaves should liberate them. It just gives the sort of ethic that one finds laws for in Rome, laws for good treatment of slaves. Nothing more.


spin

Haran

I didn't realize the place was so close minded... Many atheists do not fit the description which offended you, but if the shoe fits...

In the past, the real you, the one who doesn't hide behind an anonymous veil of "Spin", has seemed rather more rational, cordial, and openminded to me. I don't understand what you are doing here, frankly...

As I stated before, the context of this passage is not about slavery. It is, however, about matters of respect and equality.

spin

It's certainly not closed minded. You are still able to comment and nobody even censors your posts, as one finds on some christian fora. I have no problem that some people here are atheists. That's their problem. But "militant atheists" is mainly used disparagingly, as is most "militant" anythings is.

"Had we but world enough, and time, This coyness, Lady, were no crime."

The name is "spin", not "Spin".

I must have removed the one ring which held me. Now that it's been destroyed, I'm no longer under its constraint, whatever that constraint you assume was.

This changes not one iota of the problem. The context is one in which slavery is assumed, not questioned or seen as problematic. It is nothing more anti-slavery than those laws of the Romans I mentioned.

The texts were written in the times when slavery was part of the fabric of society, so it's not strange that they should support it as Ephesians does. The problem arises when one takes it out of context as a work which is somehow eminently applicable to our times. That's as applicable as applying the laws of Hammurabi to our time. Not.


spin

chimaira

thank you yummyfur, this is a parabola which can be discussed, I had read in the Gospels that Jésus approved somebody who had servants, the morality of all that it is that if Jésus is perfect it would have abolished slavery!!!

chimaira

I found what I sought ...


Matthew 8, 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].

8:10 When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

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