Phishfood

im sorry but even granting this (which im not so sure i will do, but for now...) there are still MANY holes left for you to explain. modern science does not consist of the simple fact that the universe is old. please address my post.

-Pf

lvdyou

How we got here is the same conclusion today as held then. The Hebrew word for creation in the 6 days is that of restoration so the 6 days are days of restoration of what previously already existed. You misreading is readily too apparent.

The Bible is not saying the universe was created in 6 days for that already took placed back in Gen. 1.1. The 6 days therefore are something else, in agreement with the word "restoration".

The light was restored upon the earth once it had been made desolate in Gen. 1.2 because of the sins of earth's earlest ages as a consequence of fallen Lucifer, fallen angels and demons that roamed at that time, now made disembodied spirits that look to inhabit men. The reason why day 2 was not a good day was because when the firmament was split out came some of those demons that looked to inhabit physical beings. One of them entered the serpent in the garden.

Water was needed for life so water comes first. Earth's atmosphere was much thicker before too so birds naturally would come before from the oceans to the skies, from the skies to the land.

Now the 6 days, because God just wants us to make sure we get our spirits right in a book of spirit, He is teaching us that analysis of all that was before the 6 SUMMARY days of restoration is of little account (though we can study it) in helping us so let us focus on the point of bringing us to God's creation and restoration as a point of focus in Biblical psychology which gives us comfort.

This is intellectual honest and integrity to the account of Genesis. Misreading is considered of no account, and would be dishonest and of low moral character.

There was oceans so there could be plant life not dependant on rain. Isn't that awesome how God makes all that water?

God does not make man from dirt and then everything else. God makes everything else and then man from dirt.

The rib represents from the same dust literally the same dust that the rib came from.

The 6 days are literal 24 hour summary days. Never forget that.

In all account, it was water, plants, birds, land, animals, man.

The reason this is so difficult for you is because you are reading with an unrenewed mind without a spirit of discernment. That is what causes you (1) to misread the ordering, (2) not see how how science fits, and (3) darkening your mind further. This increases your hostility to God and an ever increasing need to cast you into hell as the only solution to your condition.

lvdyou

Man's toys are of no account. The way to God is through the Son, John 3.16,18.

If you were God you would not start your sentencese with a small w. There, I just proved you are not God, so we can move from that silliness.

Floods and tornadoes, tsunamis and eruptions, droubts and diseases are God's wrath for God uses the earth to extol His righteousness. You see God never asked us to leave the garden but He had to lock us out of it because we were disobedient and sinned. We moved to lands that were dangerous and reaped the consequences. The flesh became utterly corruptible and unable to be fixed, so it had to die. The only way to defeat death in our members is to accept God's redemption through substitution and co-death identification unto perfection.

Sin begets sin and so it manifests from generation to generation in all kinds of forms. Satan today is the god of this world, but in the regeneration of this world Christ will reign for a 1000 years in Person before the new city and the new earth. The millennium has not yet started (Rev. 20.2-7).

Satan is a false accuser day and night mindlessly against God. He is a dumb spirit. He is really very uninteresting in the unsaved.

lvdyou

There is your problem, you are "not so sure" which bespeaks of your instability of thoughts. Always what follows, is BUT "there are still...holes". Yet they are never forthcoming, just error after error. I thick atheism and agnosticm should be called the "Cult of Not Caring to Be Wrong All The Time Because Eventually They Will Be Right" lol.

I think we have to wait for hell to freeze over before you actually produce one hole, then you can go ice fishing. What you may find is you waited long enough in your unsalvation that by the time you get to hell it will be a very cold and unfeeling place where you belong and want to be.

Please address my comments and don't deflect away from them for they are the source of your deliverance freeing you from your mistaken assumptions. The truth has a tendency to do that.

Just because science provides many details does not make the Bible not agree with factual findings.

Blueskyboris

Same difference. They accomplished a tower that threatened to reach the heavens, to reach God's pride, so God dispersed them in groups with different languages.

It shall be a great day when everyone can speak at least one common language.

Pride is a result of accomplishment.

Of course it is; as I said, the tower of babel represents the combined accomplishment of many people.

But apparently you DO understand God's complexities or you would not be able to counter me with such an ill-thought argument.

Dullness is lazing around in a paradise while supressing one's curiosity for a God that created curiosity as one of the prime enemies of good obedience.

Ask around IIDB. I am very pompous postee.

Of course, if the idiot God of Adam had not made paradise so boring Adam might not have eaten the apple in the first place.

Phishfood

well, firstly, this doesn't jibe with science. that is, birds did not come from the water, and man did not come directly from dust. furthermore, there is no lucifer, angels, or 6 days of creation in science. you also haven't addressed why 1) in the second account, god DID create adam first, then everything else, and 2) why the two dont match up.

also, do you have biblical text available for your assertions of lucifer and demons that state that they were there before the 6 days of creation? and the adam's rib as metaphor does not jibe with a literal biblical interpretation. can you justify?

as well, Exodus 20:11 says, ‘For in six days the Lord made the heavens and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy,' which doesn't seem to match your Gap Theory.
if there was sin before man was created, are we not responsible for sin?
when in this huge gap did lucifer fall? why is there no scientific evidence of these demons? do you believe in demons?

oh, and in my other post, "not so sure" was just me being playful. dont be so severe. it gives you wrinkles.

-Pf

lvdyou

God is prideless. The tower did not threaten heaven. That is a vain thought. It was just a tall building. Man is so vain. Accomplishment is good if not done in vain. They were doing it in vain, not to the glory of God.

Pride is the result of unhealthy perspective on accomplishment. It is not the consequence unless the evil spirit in you gains a foothold in your life.

I do not know all the complexities of God for I do not know how quarks or string theory in His nature nor beyond what He has revealed about Himself personally. God does know all these things though. But what I do know is what God has afforded me to know that which shows your errors.

In heaven which is paradise in the new city of heaven and earth come together, there is not laziness for there is no sin. Curiosity is good, but curiosity beyond what God calls for is unhealthy, for some become obsessed then possessed. If we are going to leave this solar system one day, we do so in curiosity that is healthy, we ought not do it for the purpose of vain pride of self.

Your mistake in calling God an idiot is that man could handle complexity, which he could not in the garden. He could not even handle an apple for it was just an apple, yet he was inordinately curious beyond his understanding. He was not yet ready, not led by God, but he ventured ahead of himself anyway. Your dumb god Satan would have you believe it is do to boredom. Nope. At the time it was due to sin, disobedience, just like now with your many varied thoughts. Your boredeom is do to your dullness and your dullness is do to your unregeneration. And it is your choice.

Stacey Melissa

Fortunately, I don't have that issue myself, since I am completely sure that what you have posted in this thread is a total crock of sh...

Eh, nevermind. I'm bored with this thread already. Goodbye.

SanDiegoAtheist

Any people here familiar with the original hebrew? I'm not 100% certain, but I believe this to be utter and complete BS (as is most of this Christbots postings, but this is one that should be pretty easy to call him on).

I certainly have NEVER heard that the Hebrew word for "creation" in the Genesis account was equivalent to "restoration" - and I studied the Bible as literature at college (UCSD) under a professer who was a Jew and reading the OT in the original Hebrew.

Cheers,

The San Diego Atheist

lvdyou

All creatures come from dust for that is what every cell of our body is made from in agreement with Gen. 2.7 "dust". That is the scientific wonder, that birds came from the sea long ago, though it is beyond your understanding as the sea creatures came onto land. Birds were one of the first warm blooded.

The moon, stars, and sun were already there, but they were restored in view or even entering orbit. It was dark, now it is not. When a planet approaches the sun it gets brighter so light comes, then the various planets, stars and sun itself.

One could invision ocean creatures wanting to escape their domain and some did by somehow gaining momentum to fly as they continued to try to do so running on land.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air

Out of the ground.

Birds or like flying creature came out of the ground, then followed great land masses of animals.

Science can't test the spirit realm for it is above scientific means. All that can be done is observe the evil spirit's workings like in your bad reasoning in the self of your soul or in men like Hitler through his demons, fallen angels and Satan himself.

All accounts are the same, just providing more detail each time.

Adam was created first because he first had God-consciousness, and the woman shortly ensued in a very short period of time. This is reflective of man's strength as a bread winner through the ages so he would naturally be first cognizant. It should be noted that woman ate the apple with a darkened mind, but Adam knew what he was doing in sinning for his affection for Eve, sinning also (his affection was not the sin, but the negative consequence of his actions as he let his emotion get the better of him). In other words, Eve sinned unaware of her sin not realizing her disobedience, but Adam knew his disobedience.

Adam was created after everything else just as the Bible says. Everything matches up in the Bible. Remember, if it were not so you could prove otherwise, but you can't.

The literal Biblical interpretation of the rib is literal, for the rib is of dust just as the man is of dust (is it not the rib literally made of dust?), just as the woman is of dust. It is an expression, the loin of my cloth. The rib is also close to man's heart so there is also a heartfelt connection.

I gave you the proof of the word "restoration" so we know it is 6 days of restoration, and we know Lucifer fell, which was not after Adam was created but before. Man was created because God could not find obedience in the angels. God errects obedience in the One man Jesus Christ so we who were disobedient may become one of His own, for we were made in His image.

Angels were created first but they fell, and Lucifer caused them to fall, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the mornin!" (Is. 14.12).

Ezekiel 28 speaks of the origin of Satan, verses 11 to 19. If you want to get into this to know the truth instead of bouncing all over the place,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/mystery.htm

Ex. 20.11 agrees with what I have shared with you. The 7th day is another 24 hour day, a summary day of what has taken place in the spanse of restoration from the earth being made desolate in Gen. 1.2 because of earth's earliest ages of sin.

If there was sin before we were created, we are not responsible for that sin for we were created perfect man, both male and female.

Lucifer fell before restoration but after initial creation, perhaps millions, even billions of years ago. I do not know. It is too difficult to determine. Now you know what God has you focus on the 6 days of retoration for your spirit. There are some things only God will know more proof that God is God. Some men make science a god but that then becomes their own tower of bable, inordinate curiousity to the point of unhealthiness and their detriment.

Demons are disembodied spirits, so you do not see them physically, but when they possess souls and enter bodies you can see their working through people. There is even record in the Bible, they had sex with daughters of men producing what were called the Nephilim, a race of evil men. This would take place through having sex by possessing men and those men sleeping with daughters of men, so on and so forth thus creating an evil race called Nephilim of very tall offshoot.

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Nephilim.htm

Your best scientific evidence of demons is the evil all over the world today that men give into, for they are possessed by demons that they allow control them.

Nothing I have said is so severe, just the honest to good truth, which should never be the cause of your wrinkles if you accept God. Not accepting God, now that will give you lots of wrinkles. You have no idea.

When you call Jesus a liar that is severe thus receiving the severest, hell.