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Old 12-31-2011, 07:38 PM   #141
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I don't buy the claims in Eusebius about the gospels of the Ebionites, Nazareans, etc. What's most outrageous is how scholars like to accept whatever these guys supposedly wrote in their histories.

For that matter I don't buy the authenticity of Justin references to Mary and Pilate especially given the fact that his proofs for his Christ are always from the Hebrew Scriptures and never from any other clearly identifiable source.

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A very convenient throw-away sentence by "Justin." Good old Eusebius is there to provide the "gospel truth" about all the alleged heresies and about alleged books that NO ONE ever saw, even in a a few sentences.

I think Eusebius should really have the searchlights put on him. Why should we base all types of theories and explanations on his so-called History of the Church anyway?!...
I do NOT accept that all of Church History was written by the same author. Based on "Against the Galileans", it would seem the TF was INTERPOLATED after Eusebius was dead.

From the interpolations in Josephus it must be understood that writings that were composed in the 1st century by Josephus were mutilated by fraud at least 150 years later.

I expect that "Church History" attributed to Eusebius is itself mutilated solely to DECEIVE.

When Julian asked his readers to present Well-known writers who wrote about Jesus and Paul the challenge implies that Josephus was NOT known to have written about Jesus or Paul and also that Tacitus did NOT write any thing about Jesus or Paul.

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....for nowhere did either Jesus or Paul hand down to you such commands. The reason for this is that they never even hoped that you would one day attain to such power as you have; for they were content if they could delude maidservants and slaves, and through them the women, and men like Cornelius 66 and Sergius.

67 But if you can show me that one of these men is mentioned by the well-known writers of that time,----these events happened in the reign of Tiberius or Claudius,----then you may consider that I speak falsely about all matters....
Why did Julian ask his readers such a question if he was aware of Tacitus Annals, Josephus Antiquities, Eusebius Church History and Origen "Against Celsus and Commentary on Matthew.

The answer is obvious they forgeries may not have been carried when Julian lived but after he was dead.
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I don't buy the claims in Eusebius about the gospels of the Ebionites, Nazareans, etc. What's most outrageous is how scholars like to accept whatever these guys supposedly wrote in their histories.

For that matter I don't buy the authenticity of Justin references to Mary and Pilate especially given the fact that his proofs for his Christ are always from the Hebrew Scriptures and never from any other clearly identifiable source.....
That is PRECISELY how it can be deduced that the Jesus story was just a Myth Fable and not history.

Justin Martyr had ZERO actual evidence that Jesus did exist and used so-called Predictions of the future as facts of the past.

Justin Martyr wrote NOTHING about the family of Jesus, or the apostles except the very same information in the Memoirs of the Apostles and the so-called predictions in Hebrew Scripture
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