Duvduv

This is really not so complicated. When analyzing this subject one is faced with the fact of observation and inference based on available information. The traditional interpretations of these anomalies just ignore the missing elements that one would EXPECT to see SOMEWHERE in the writings of the authors of the epistles if we assume that the letters are whole texts written by one hand.

And in the case of Acts, we find also that the Paul figure (and even the Peter figure) have no association at all with any of the places mentioned in the gospel stories visited by their Christ at all. Not Bethlehem, not Nazareth, not Capernaum, not Golgotha, not Caesarea, not Galilee, not the Mount. Nothing. Not even one single time.

Toto

Your questions appear to be argumentative, just disagreeing to disagree.

All of our conclusions about early Christians are based on their writings, and all conclusions have to be probabilistic - unless you are a believer and think that god or Jesus speaks directly to you.

aa5874

Do you know what a Mythological character means?? It means the character had NO real existence.

In the Gospels, Tiberius the Emperor, Pilate the Governor and Caiaphas the
High Priest have been corroborated as figures of history.
In the same Canon, the God of Moses, God's Son Jesus Fathered by a Ghost, Satan the Devil, the Angel Gabriel, and the Holy Ghost are Mythological characters.

Please, please, please, I am just an Ordinary person. The Bible was written for ordinary people.

I will show you the evidence from antiquity and you can decide if they agree or not.

Romans 5:10 KJV----For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son....

2 Corinthians 1:19 KJV----For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us.......

Galatians 2:20 KJV...... I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Now Examine the earliest Canonised Gospel.

Mark 1:1 KJVThe beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mark 3:11 KJV---And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried , saying , Thou art the Son of God.

Mark 5:7 KJV.... What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?......

Mark 15:39 KJV....... Truly this man was the Son of God.

Both the Gospels and the Pauline writings propagate a Mythological character called the Son of God that was Raised from the dead.

Mandelbrot

Thank you for making it clear to me that you have nothing whatsoever of any import to say.

aa5874

Pehaps your internet connection is slow or you are working off line. I PRESENTED the WRITTEN statements of antiquity found in Existing Codices where the Gospels called gMark and the Pauline writings STATE Jesus was the Son of a God.

Examine the Pauline letters.

Now Examine the earliest Canonised Gospel.

outhouse

my only point is why pick a point in time that he could be falsified, while being such a important deity to those who wrote about him and followed.

You see the unknown authors hiding the real man under the myth. And building mythology of a real man the same way the hellenistic culture deified Caesar in that exact time period.



there was a big difference in a romans title back then and a slave did not hold the same roman citizenship and have said legal standing.

The roman citizens were not oppressed anywhere near what jews were forced to endure


romans were not involved in the tax war in Galilee while jesus was a child

and they were not involved in the tax war resulting in the destruction of the temple.

and all of jesus teachings are silent on roman citizens, despite being written by roman authors.

jesus was part of a sect, or movement strickly for jews.

aa5874

Again, the HJ argument is a massive BAIT and SWITCH.

All of a sudden Jesus was a DEIFIED man like the Caesars---he is no longer a NOBODY.

HJers claim Paul and Others PREACHED and WROTE letters about Jesus, the Son of God, the Lord, Savior and Messiah who was RAISED from the dead since c 37-41 CE and simultaneously claim Jesus was Obscure and a Nobody..

The HJ argument makes NO sense if Paul, the disciples and the other Apostles DEIFIED Jesus since 37-41 CE.

outhouse

thats only your unfounded opinion.


I never stated differently.


yes


by the events in his last week of life he became popular within judaism, events after his death played a huge role in this.

all it would take is someone to dump his body in a pit and claim they put it in a tomb to conjure up legends of resurrection to make a man a deity. Caesar required much less.



HJ makes little sense to theology and mythology anyway. BJ followers cant swallow HJ or MJ

aa5874

Your statement is UTTERLY erroneous. Your Jesus story was INVENTED out of THIN AIR.

Sources of antiquity that mentioned Jesus claimed he was the Son of a Ghost and that he was WELL KNOWN in Judea LONG before his death.

Your Jesus story was either fabricated from Fiction stories in the Canon or was fabricated from WHOLE Cloth.

HJ makes no sense to history JUST to forgeies, fiction and fraud

EarlDoherty

God! Not another one of these ignoramuses charging in thinking he'll knock out the mythicist theory in nothing flat, with a chip on his shoulder the size of a bus, a capacity for substantive argument the size of a pea, and a mind as locked as a chastity belt. Where do they all come from?

At least he's given us a real name.

Tell you what, Mr. Will Wiley. Check out the Vridar blog for that article on Hebrews 8:4 I mentioned yesterday here (the one that supplies Diogenes with his demand for one piece of evidence that someone thought Jesus had never been to earth), and give us all a sample of your knowledge and acumen by exposing the flaws in my argument and giving us the proper reading of that verse.

http://vridar.wordpress.com/2012/06/...t-16/#comments

Put up or shut up.

Earl Doherty