avi

boy: paidikos, koureion, ageneios
carpenter: leitourgia, tekton, kopeus and xulourgos.

May I inquire, what is the original Greek word, to which you make reference, above, occurring in which Greek manuscript--> ostensibly dating from when? Please accept my apologies for my inability to differentiate koine Greek from modern Greek or ancient Greek. Perhaps none of the words I listed above, are pertinant to this thread....

Newton's Cat

Teknon ... get it?

'That which is born or produced, a child'

That's what I see anyway.

avi

Umm. Very sorry. NOPE, I cannot understand what you mean.

I looked up "teknon" in three dictionaries, and all three reported "no such word":

first

second

third.

As I indicated before, I have only just begun studying, hence, I am quite ignorant. Can you please give me the particular reference which you are using, for this expression from Mark 6,1?

Here's what I found, for Mark 6,1, and I don't observe the word "teknon":

kai exhlqen ekeiqen kai ercetai eiV thn patrida autou kai akolouqousin autw oi maqhtai autou

Newton's Cat

A Greek-English Lexicon, by Henry Liddell & Robert Scott, 6th Edition (1869)

Page 1611.

Teknon, ou, to, (tiktw, tekein) that which is born or produced, a child (like Anglo Saxon, bearn, Scottish bairn, from beran, to bear).

Etc.

Imagine them saying it in a Scottish accent.

The point is the people were in no way hostile towards him to warrant the sudden "and they were offended at him". When I first read this my mind very soon realised that Chapter 3,30> was part of Chapter 6> and fitted in before "and they were offended at him". It doesn't make sense without bringing in Chapter 3>.

avi

Oops, I apologize, for not possessing any dictionaries. Do you have an internet based dictionary, which I could consult?

I do not seem to be able to communicate this to you very well, let me try again:

Where is your SOURCE for Mark 6,1? Can you, using Roman letters, provide the Greek original for Mark 6,1, which you believe contains the word "teknon"? I have not been able to locate this word in Mark 6,1. I apologize for being so backward, but truth is, I haven't yet made sufficient progress to move beyond this one simple passage, so there is no point, for me, at least, in your expressing some opinion about some OTHER passage in Mark.
Perhaps I have missed your central issue, here. I thought you had argued that the Greek word "Teknon" was translated by you to indicate "child", instead of "carpenter". Whether "child" (rather than "carpenter") is an appropriate translation of "Teknon", or not, is a secondary issue to me. FIRST, (i.e. the primary issue), please provide the Greek sentence, in Roman letters, corresponding to Mark 6,1, showing this word, "Teknon". In particular, WHICH source are you using to elaborate Mark 6,1? I am singularly disinterested in the etymology of anglo saxon, or Scottish pronunciation, both of which strike me, at least as profoundly non-sequitur.

Newton's Cat

The Greek word actually found in Mark 6, 3 is TEKTWN. My supposition is that it makes more sense in the context of the story if the word was originally TEKNON.

My MAIN point is that the phrase "and they were offended at him" at the end of verse four DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! Are we supposed to believe they "took offence" simply because he was the local carpenter? He had displayed great wisdom and healing powers - and they got shirty because he was the local CARPENTER! Inserting Chapter 3 verses 31-35 resolves this problem ... they now have a very good reason to be upset.

Amaleq13

Then you don't have a point because it does make sense.

Yes. "Who does this guy think he is standing up there teaching us? He's just one of us!"

They questioned his "great wisdom" and, a couple verses later, apparently didn't buy his healings, either.

You appear to have fabricated a problem in order to sell your cure.

gregor

I'm surprised no one has referenced MacDonald's Homeric comparison to Mark (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Not universally acknowledged (If I recall), but relevant to the OP

avi

Nope. It is TEKTON.
Tekton is translated as "carpenter", not boy.

The thread referenced Mark 6,1, not 6,3.

Umm, THERE IS NO SUCH WORD as "teknon" in any of the three Greek Dictionaries listed in the links above.

I have no idea what this word is, or what it means. I cannot even identify which part of speech this is.....
I know what a "shirt" is, but I cannot related "shirt" to this thread....

Toto

shirty: ill tempered, angry (chiefly British)

teknon in a NT Greek dictionary

The online free dictionaries didn't work because you entered teknon instead of τεκνο. [There should be an accent on the epsilon, but I can't seem to reproduce it.]

Which does not change the fact that Mark does not use τεκνο or teknon in that passage.