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Sheshonq · 01-19-2008, 12:21 PM

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P.S.: Your attempted physchological trick of using the waving smiley to make people think you are the more pleasant, more reasonable side of this discussion probably isn't working.

Definitely isn't working.

sugarhitman · 01-20-2008, 12:51 PM

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The africans did not sell themselves into slavery. The West hired africans to raid villeges and kidnap weaker groups for slaves. They encouraged this barbaric practice by offering these people money. The Jews had no such operation going, they were allowed by law to buy slaves who SOLD THEMSELVES as the text indicates.

Incorrect. That text is talking about Hebrews who sold themselves into indentured servitude. There was another, second class of servants who were actual slaves. The Hebrews bought and sold those slaves just like white landowners in the Old South did. You seem to be avoiding the text:

LEV 25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt
have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall
ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
LEV 25:45
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn
among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you,
which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
LEV 25:46
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children
after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen
for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule
one over another with rigour.

The last verse sets up the distinction between slaves bought from neighboring nations, vs. indentured Hebrew servants.

And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children
after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen
for ever: <--- foreign slaves

but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule
one over another with rigour. <--- Hebrew indentured servants

These verses only mentions buying slaves, not kidnapping, nor selling. If the Jewish law say that it was legal to obtain slaves by these methods then why doesnt it say so? You will find no law saying this if you can cite it and stop putting words in these verses because buying is different than kidnapping, raiding to obtain slaves. Find me a law which says so. :wave:

mountainman · 01-20-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

Involuntary Slavery is condemned in the Bible. Those who said scripture supported this are in gross error. :wave:

Why does the Gospel of Judas Thomas have Jesus Christ
selling his slave Judas into slavery at the markets in the
opening verses, and receiving a bill of sale nominating
Jesus Christ as the SELLER?

Any ideas?

Best wishes

Pete Brown

sugarhitman · 01-20-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

Involuntary Slavery is condemned in the Bible. Those who said scripture supported this are in gross error. :wave:

Why does the Gospel of Judas Thomas have Jesus Christ
selling his slave Judas into slavery at the markets in the
opening verses, and receiving a bill of sale nominating
Jesus Christ as the SELLER?

Any ideas?

Best wishes

Pete Brown

Gospel of Judas Thomas is like those Gospels that says Jesus was married, pseudo-historical texts....It is a fraud Mr. Brown. Jesus never owned any slaves.

mountainman · 01-20-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

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Originally Posted by mountainman

Why does the Gospel of Judas Thomas have Jesus Christ
selling his slave Judas into slavery at the markets in the
opening verses, and receiving a bill of sale nominating
Jesus Christ as the SELLER?

Any ideas?

Best wishes

Pete Brown

Gospel of Judas Thomas is like those Gospels that says Jesus was married, pseudo-historical texts....It is a fraud Mr. Brown. Jesus never owned any slaves.

So who do you think wrote the gospels? And who do you think
wrote the Gospel of Thomas (the "pseudo-texts")? And when
do you think each of these were written?

How do you think the fraud went down? What was the actual
sequence of events?

Best wishes,

Pete Brown

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