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Spanky · 06-17-2004, 07:17 PM

Yea, I'm a carpenter and I am working on an APARTMENT building that was built in '87. When you take off its outer shell of stucco it is completly rotten! And that was 17 years ago! Not 6,000 or whatever.
There is no ark!
Nor flood!
Nor Noah!
Nor rainbow "promise!"

MonCapitan2002 · 06-17-2004, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fallingblood

Here are some facts about Noah's Ark (or at least how the Bible describes it):
-It was nearly the size of the Titanic (450 feet or 300 cubits long/30 cubits high/30 cubits wide which would make it the size of todays super tankers)

Sorry for the nitpick, but I wanted to mention something. If I recall correctly, the Titanic was around 900 feet in length. Noah's Ark was nowhere near that size.

Rhaedas · 06-17-2004, 08:04 PM

A bit off topic, but in googling to find lengths of super tankers, I found this site that has a nice side comparison of well known ships and their lengths. Noah's boat would be impressive for a wooden boat, but would be lost among these. In fact, its length is only about twice of the Jahre Viking's width if my math is right.

A pair of each animal...sure. In a small town's zoo maybe...

Spike~ · 06-17-2004, 08:42 PM

The Biblical account of the Flood is riddled with dozens of contradictions and flat-out errors.

Genesis 6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. 16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

Most bibles assume an 18 inch cubit (although a 21 inch cubit is not unheard of), therefore, the Ark would approximately have a length of 450 feet, width of 75 feet and height of 45 feet. That a little over half the length of the Titanic.

And here's a site that lists most of the flood myths in the world.

0 · 06-18-2004, 05:19 AM

I believe this will be better suited in the BC&H forum.

Tangie

littlegirlost · 06-18-2004, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fallingblood

Noah would've struggled to get all those animals on a fleet of arks

Interesting aside, it wasn't until my teacher discussed "the flood" in my high school YEC-oriented "science" class that I was introduced to the concept of microevolution. My teacher said that Noah acutally took 2 of each animal "kind" (such as "dog kind", "cat kind", etc.) on the ark and then the differernt "kinds" and then developed into the variety we have today. That was how he accounted for being able to fit all those animals on the ark. He also said that God probably put all the animals in a deep sleep so that they weren't dangerous for the humans and wouldn't have needed to be fed during that period...

Magdlyn · 06-18-2004, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by littlegirlost

. He also said that God probably put all the animals in a deep sleep so that they weren't dangerous for the humans and wouldn't have needed to be fed during that period...

That's a good one!

What did the kids have to say about that?

I hope this wasn't a public school! :banghead:

littlegirlost · 06-18-2004, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Magdlyn

That's a good one!

What did the kids have to say about that?

I hope this wasn't a public school! :banghead:

Well, we were pretty much duped and undiscerning. (Sigh...)

I remembered thinking, "Oh, that makes sense..."

Definitely not a public shcool. My parents were kind enough to insulate me from reality.

Magdlyn · 06-18-2004, 07:43 AM

Welcome to the real world, LGL. I have a niece raised like you. She is 22 and still catching up after leaving home at 18. Good luck! I'm pulling for you!

My neice. One time I was babysitting her at about age 7 and let her watch the Wizard of Oz for the first time. A few yrs later, I told her the plot to Romeo and Juliet. The things that were forbidden to her! It boggles the mind.

Nice Squirrel · 06-18-2004, 08:02 AM

I'm a little curious about claims that the flood myth came about from raising sea levels that caused the natural dam of the Bosporus to let loose and flood the Black Sea about 5600 B.C. (Belived to have flooded over 60,000 sq miles of land) I know the media has picked up on the idea that this "localized" catasrophic flood that gave rise to the global flood myth, but is there any connecting evidence or is this a self-fullfilling prophecy? Also, how do most fundies view this flood theory?

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06-17-2004, 07:17 PM	#11
Spanky Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: US Posts: 1,216	Yea, I'm a carpenter and I am working on an APARTMENT building that was built in '87. When you take off its outer shell of stucco it is completly rotten! And that was 17 years ago! Not 6,000 or whatever. There is no ark! Nor flood! Nor Noah! Nor rainbow "promise!"

06-17-2004, 08:04 PM	#13
Rhaedas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,440	A bit off topic, but in googling to find lengths of super tankers, I found this site that has a nice side comparison of well known ships and their lengths. Noah's boat would be impressive for a wooden boat, but would be lost among these. In fact, its length is only about twice of the Jahre Viking's width if my math is right. A pair of each animal...sure. In a small town's zoo maybe...

06-17-2004, 08:42 PM	#14
Spike~ Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Redneck, Texas Posts: 28	The Biblical account of the Flood is riddled with dozens of contradictions and flat-out errors. Genesis 6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. 16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. Most bibles assume an 18 inch cubit (although a 21 inch cubit is not unheard of), therefore, the Ark would approximately have a length of 450 feet, width of 75 feet and height of 45 feet. That a little over half the length of the Titanic. And here's a site that lists most of the flood myths in the world.

06-18-2004, 07:43 AM	#19
Magdlyn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,230	Welcome to the real world, LGL. I have a niece raised like you. She is 22 and still catching up after leaving home at 18. Good luck! I'm pulling for you! My neice. One time I was babysitting her at about age 7 and let her watch the Wizard of Oz for the first time. A few yrs later, I told her the plot to Romeo and Juliet. The things that were forbidden to her! It boggles the mind.

06-18-2004, 08:02 AM	#20
Nice Squirrel Contributor Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Death Panel District 9 Posts: 20,921	I'm a little curious about claims that the flood myth came about from raising sea levels that caused the natural dam of the Bosporus to let loose and flood the Black Sea about 5600 B.C. (Belived to have flooded over 60,000 sq miles of land) I know the media has picked up on the idea that this "localized" catasrophic flood that gave rise to the global flood myth, but is there any connecting evidence or is this a self-fullfilling prophecy? Also, how do most fundies view this flood theory?

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