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Old 07-17-2012, 12:14 PM   #91
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I've called you out on one completely impossible figure on crowd density that you've quoted and you don't seem to even want to acknowledge you cited it.
use google



Well, 1 acre = 4047 square metres.

If we assume that the average (top down) cross section of a human through the waist is about 0.5m x 0.25m, then area of land occupied by one human is 0.125 square metres.





4047 / 0.125 = 32,380 people.




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Outhouse, could you please state for me how many people you think was the permanent inhabitants of Jerusalem, and how many for the average festival? This crucial information may have been left in the other thread.
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Outhouse, could you please state for me how many people you think was the permanent inhabitants of Jerusalem, and how many for the average festival? This crucial information may have been left in the other thread.
This website references this book:

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Based on contemporary mathematical models employed by
historians and archaeologists to estimate population, Josephus' Jerusalem
contained an approximate population of 80,000. (Magen Broshi. "Estimating
the Population of Ancient Jerusalem." Biblical Archaeological Review. (Vol.
4, No. 2, June 1978).
The number is based on 160-200 people per acre and the estimated acreage of Jerusalem at various times.
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Outhouse, could you please state for me how many people you think was the permanent inhabitants of Jerusalem, and how many for the average festival? This crucial information may have been left in the other thread.
I never delt with the city population

from the link above, The Claudian census, numbers 6,944,000 Jewish residents of the Empire.

If the Jewish communities outside of the Roman
Empire are added, and most importantly Babylon, the Jewish population in
the First Century CE may have reached up to 8,000,000


i'm strickly dealing with those that made the journey that filled the city to said population of 300,000 to 400,000 after the fact.


the fact it was a requirement to make the journey, would mean you would have a most of the jews in the levant in attendance.

it would have equaled crowds larger then modern day rock concerts and a large source of revenue for both romans and Saducees. this was big buisiness
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you're arguing with a civil engineer specializing in water supplies
so what

I often had to tell water engineers what would end up happening on large projects as I have been responsible for water supplies for some cities personaly. Cambria Ca and Portola ca.

if you knew half of what you stated you would undertsand storage is the key.

the temple had storage, a large spring and a aquaduct.




it also had sewage tunnels you knew nothing about. History is not your gig and its obvious. the likes of you and your historical ignorance will not overturn someone with excellent historical knowledge like EP Sanders.
Do you know what kind of sewage tunnels it had? Were they large enough for the use of the entire city or just the temple, or the city, temple AND pilgrims who only came 3 times a year?

It doesn't say how large the ponds or springs were does it? A dozen mules and the pond water is now filthy. Same with the springs. Were the ponds renewable? It's great the temple had storage facilities. Was it doled out to the pilgrims for washing, cooking and drinking? How did the people - all half million of them - line up to get their share?

If not, then it's irrelevant that the Temple had water facilities.
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Do you know what kind of sewage tunnels it had?
large enough to walk through



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AND pilgrims who only came 3 times a year?
we know there were tent cities outside the walls, restroom free so to speak.



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It doesn't say how large the ponds or springs were does it?

you mean the different pools, mikvahs, and a special pool/pond for livestock.

it doesnt say in this thread, but ive done the research in the past, and the temple was engineered to acommodate the large crowds.


again this was a big buisiness and not a one time event




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If not, then it's irrelevant that the Temple had water facilities.

if you have seen maps of he temple from the first century, you would see there was water everywhere. it was engineered to keep the paying customers alive.
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here ya go, please stop the nonsense arguing with scholars that know what they are talking about VS those uneducated in second temple history


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Do you know what kind of sewage tunnels it had?
large enough to walk through
So how many did they have?

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we know there were tent cities outside the walls, restroom free so to speak.
So, no sewage facilities for them or their livestock.

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you mean the different pools, mikvahs, and a special pool/pond for livestock.
There had to be different pools, ponds, etc. for people and livestock. How many were there?

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it doesnt say in this thread, but ive done the research in the past, and the temple was engineered to acommodate the large crowds.
Yeah, but for ceremonies, not for feeding and housing.

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again this was a big buisiness and not a one time event
Neither was the Olympics, but they didn't bother with logistics much and they also catered to huge crowds.

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If not, then it's irrelevant that the Temple had water facilities.

if you have seen maps of he temple from the first century, you would see there was water everywhere. it was engineered to keep the paying customers alive.
Are any authentic? I wasn't aware there is anything accurately depicting the temple. I've seen some that reproduce what they think the temple was like, but nothing actually laying it out exactly as it was.
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So, no sewage facilities for them or their livestock.

they had porta potties set up for the sheep, the goats were on their own
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here ya go, please stop the nonsense arguing with scholars that know what they are talking about VS those uneducated in second temple history


Do you have a map of Jerusalem in the time of ROMULUS and REMUS???

Please, please, please I don't need a map of Jerusalem in the time of Mythological characters like Jesus.

Here again we have people speculating using maps DURING the time of a Myth, the resurrected Creator.
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