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Old 01-30-2005, 05:54 AM   #1
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“Truth is only found in X”

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If person = fundamentalistProtestantChristian
Then X = Bible
End If

If person = metaphysicalNaturalist
Then X = Science
End If
Sola scriptura, sola scientia, find the differences…

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Sola scriptura, sola scientia, find the differences…
Let's see if we can come up with a few differences between science and scripture:

Scripture: It is written, I believe it (unless it's written in the wrong holy book in which case it's a lie)
Science: It is written, I want to know if it's actually true

Scripture: this is a cherished belief, it shall not be questioned!
Science: why believe in things that can't stand up to scrutiny? If you believe in a true thing, how could it fade away if anyone checks it?

Scripture: my cherished beliefs are beyond question, your cherished beliefs are wrong (but it's mean to question my beliefs so don't do it - only I'm allowed to question the beliefs of others)
Science: my theories are no better or worse than yours - what matters is what has evidence to support it

Scripture: I will kill to defend my belief, even if it's a lie
Science: I'll work with you to find out what is real, even if I was wrong

Scripture: what matters is being certain that I'm know The Truth(TM) even if I'm wrong
Science: what matters is being honest, even if it means admitting to my mistakes

Scripture: I know the truth!
Science: I'm humble enough to accept my own limitations.


You know, I can understand why some people find science absolutely terrifying. I can still feel sorry for people who can't deal with reality, though.
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:37 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Heathen Dawn
“Truth is only found in X�?

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If person = fundamentalistProtestantChristian
Then X = Bible
End If

If person = metaphysicalNaturalist
Then X = Science
End If
Sola scriptura, sola scientia, find the differences…

That's pretty rich coming from someone with "I’m not open to changing my beliefs" in their profile.
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Old 01-30-2005, 04:03 PM   #5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen Dawn
“Truth is only found in X�?

Code:
If person = fundamentalistProtestantChristian
Then X = Bible
End If

If person = metaphysicalNaturalist
Then X = Science
End If
Sola scriptura, sola scientia, find the differences…

The one is a recognized doctrine espoused by many people advocating a clear position summarized by the phrase in question. The other is a straw man.
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Old 01-30-2005, 04:08 PM   #6
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Dev, you should know better.

Scripture claims to be Complete, Unassailable, Unchanging Truth.

Science is a scaffold, a framework on which we build up truth, cutting and fitting, and tearing out and replacing the parts which don't fit. It is a pattern for asking effective questions, and saving the most effective answers. It's never Complete, Unassailable, Unchanging.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen Dawn
“Truth is only found in X�?

Code:
If person = fundamentalistProtestantChristian
Then X = Bible
End If

If person = metaphysicalNaturalist
Then X = Science
End If
Sola scriptura, sola scientia, find the differences…

Well, if you substituted "objective knowledge" for "Truth", I would agree.
But "Truth" of course sounds so much more provocative, don't you think?
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The one is a recognized doctrine espoused by many people advocating a clear position summarized by the phrase in question. The other is a straw man.
Yeah, you got it.

This is a fun game. What's next?
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It has nothing whatsoever to do with my background, it is merely a logical conclusion. (Of course, if you deny all logic, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...)



'***

ProcedureScience: TestTruthOfScience(EvolutionTestResult, BigBangTestResult, MedicineTestResult...)

'***

For n = 1 to 1000000000

If EvolutionEvidenceTest[n] = False Then

EvolutionTestResult := False

End For

Else

Next

End If

End For

'***

For n = 1 to 1000000000

If BigBangEvidenceTest[n] = False Then

BigBangTestResult := False

End For

Else

Next

End If

End For

'***

For n = 1 to 1000000000

If MedicineEvidenceTest[n] = False Then

MedicineTestResult := False

End For

Else

Next

End If

End For

'***

Print(result)

TRUE




'***


ProcedureFaith: TestTruthOfFaith(CreationTestResult, PrayerHealingTestResult...)

'***

For n = 1 to 1000000000

If CreationEvidenceTest[n] = False Then

CreationTestResult := False

End For

Else

Next

End If

End For

'***

For n = 1 to 1000000000

If PrayerHealingEvidenceTest[n] = False Then

PrayerHealingTestResult := False

End For

Else

Next

End If

End For

'***

Print(result)

FALSE

'***
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Truth is only found in consciousness
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