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Old 05-21-2013, 03:05 PM   #21
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The important thing to understand is that without suffering of some kind there is no awareness. In a universe where ones ie the ego's every need is immediately fulfilled, there is no reflection, no awareness, hence no self, no individuation.
I'd be careful with Jung because consubstantial is not transubstantial (thru the son to the father), co- eternal reduces God to eternal from infinite, parthenogenisis is not parthenocarpic, and the Lamb of God was not crucified; none of which can be seen from a psychological angle but is neologic by induction and that is just a notch or two above him.

He is totally wrong in placing Christ opposite to anti-christ as its own flip-side archetypal opposite similar to pleasure and pain, good and bad, or good and evil that is relative with religion-specific intent, wherein good can be bad in two different mythologies that so also make bad as good in these opposites as well.

Then of course he is wrong to call them irreconcilable to conclude that this would create 'unconsciousness' wherein he denies Ascension that is followed by Assumption and subsequent Coronation to convert reason into Pure Reason wherein shadows are no longer seen as by Cave dwellers like him.

Having said this, he may be correct by pointing at the Christian tradition to say what he does, but that does not make it right just the same.

Let me add here that parthenocarpic is about renewal of life instead of creating new life the parthenogenesis way.
Jung isn't making metaphysical pronouncements; his argument is psychological. He's discussing the idea of God and Jesus, and their role in the Christian psyche, not their empirical existence. It's not clear to me that you've made that distinction.

In the stories, the Shadow, or antichrist is always evil, but in the psyche this isn't so; however it's perceived as such by the conscious as the Shadow is feared. Its fear of the unknown more than evil.

In the present state of affairs they are indeed irreconcilable, seems to me.

I'm not familiar with his views on the Ascension or the Assumption, but I'd be surprised if he "denies" it. The psyche is dynamic, not static, things come into and go out of consciousness etc.
Yes you are correct, and because Jesus as Christ occupies the Christian soul he is anti-christ there to never find reconciliation within = hell on earth.

That is why I wrote that he may be correct by pointing at the Christian tradition who are "saved-sinners" by adding Christ to their soul nature, there now as the rock in which they stand and will die for that idol that is deeply entrenched into their soul.

This would be Laodicea, neither hot nor cold as those who keep saying "I am so rich and secure," and you may want to reads the rest in Rev. 3:17 and then go to Rev.14:12 in particular to identify those again from Gal.5:4.

Yes, and 'fear of the unknown' is a good way to put it while hoping for better day ahead, and to fortify that illusion will bomb the wrong country again and again (as I sometimes summarize their actions).

Always anti-christ = always evil with good works for self edification is evil as well.

Ascension just means that heaven becomes a state of mind wherein the divide between the left and right is removed and the right is occupied as Christ Jesus first (walking through walls that the disciples still saw). After that the woman [there called Mary] is Assumed [with no personal identity to be raised] and subsequently is Crowned Queen of Heaven and Earth the make the Mind of Christ, wherein Christ obviously has no mind of his own or She could not be his mind in the TOL. So no history here but history was made.

Remember here that woman was taken from man in Gen.2 to be his dowry in betrothal for this final event. From this follows that She is His mind and if She is He does not have one of his own, while Jesus did as 'second Adam' to be raised so that reason will prevail in the end.
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What is this babbling? I hope this is some advanced joke?
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Yes, it's an advanced joke. Or at least the regulars here know not to take it seriously.
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So do you think that Christ 'up there' someplace has a mind of his own? Or do you think maybe Jesus was it but he died too. So now what?
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So do you think that Christ 'up there' someplace has a mind of his own? Or do you think maybe Jesus was it but he died too. So now what?
Gibbely gibbely gook.
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So do you think that Christ 'up there' someplace has a mind of his own? Or do you think maybe Jesus was it but he died too. So now what?
Gibbely gibbely gook.
Well sir, it all English and that is a good beginning for sure, wherein I just present my reaction to what Jung had to say in the citation by Horatio Parker on this Opening topic. That's all.

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When I object to say that God is infinite and not eternal it is because infinity is expansive beyond eternal, which does not mean many heavens away in distance [as Mohammed put it], but with room to prosper and grow on our own in our civilization right here.

This so is where God is greater as Universal but cannot be greater than the Son through whom, in him, and with him God is exposed by the genus as the Son now as Man under God in Christen domain.

In this sense is it wrong to call God eternal as infinite in the universe wherein Man is eternal and hu-man is temporal as a condition of Being that pertains only to the species called Man under God.

The Lamb of God is not crucified, to say that Lamb of God is distinct from Son of Man as born of God instead of carnal desire as per John 1:13 where that distinction is made. And of course, the reason for this is the need to show the difference between Son of Man and Lamb of God, wherein Lamb of God is the fruit of religion as 'born out of tradition' inside the flock.

And of course Lamb of God is Son of Man but is more than just Son of Man and will have the 'cradle of religion' to lie its head (cf. Mt.9:20), that will "never leave you orphaned" as such (Jn.14:18). This would confirm Jesus as Nazorean-by-nature out of which the infancy is emergent instead 'out of Egypt called' with no Jewish [iconic] tradition behind him, there as just Son of Man. I think Luke puts the manger in the stable with the swaddling cloth that confines to say the same thing, for which [transpersonal] 'inner direction' would be a modern psychology term that would contradict Jung also.

And it is true that Son of Man will feel abandoned now as Egyptian himself, and of course back to Egypt he goes and was not even home to receive when the Magi arrived who actually "inquired where the newborn king was," to already say that the Star of Bethlehem was not shining on him until they told the Magi where the child was. That sounds like pure Lexishemy to me by seeing the star after the Magi were told where the child was, with the point made here that reason itself was engaged to see clear that so is not first hand by intuition to them, and that equals 'forsaken' already wherein the Herodian massacre takes place.

So it is wrong to blame Herod for the massacre, but look to reason itself above and beyond religion that Herod represents as the enemy during this infancy stage wherein no baby is born, but only the virgin fruit of the womb is reborn to unite once again with the neutron he [once] left behind in the same womb he was from, and hence it is a male-only thing (with the upshot being here that females can never be Christian proper as such).
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Syllogism, paralogism, neologism.
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So it is wrong to blame Herod for the massacre, but look to reason itself above and beyond religion that Herod represents as the enemy during this infancy stage wherein no baby is born, but only the virgin fruit of the womb is reborn to unite once again with the neutron he [once] left behind in the same womb he was from, and hence it is a male-only thing (with the upshot being here that females can never be Christian proper as such).

. . . and by no means is this to slam-dunk against females for hers is the nucleus that retained the proton, there called Elizabeth with Mary the neutron alive each generation anew, who did her work 'in good faith' as her Canticle reads that is confirmed by Zechariah in this home-ing event that liberates the hereditary soul nature of man.
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