storytime

Paul preached Jesus crucified and rose from the dead, and if not rose then their faith was in vain.

Maybe a reversal of Pauls statement might be in order so we can understand better the Jewish construct.

Read it this way - Paul preached Jesus rose from the dead and was crucified. Would this clarify the meaning of resurrection moreso than a physical corpse rising?

How then did those Jews interpret "the dead"? Was "dead" in the meaning of separation from God and so considered the same as physically dead men, not acknowledged as sons of Jacob-Israel? ("as thou they had never been") For example, would the Edomites (Esau) qualify in this group as they were separated from Jacob-Israel and not considered as sons of Israel? Nor could they ever be, as only the one "seed" of Isaac in Jacob could claim the promised inheritance.

If Jesus arose[came from] a group or tribal identity that was not recognized as part of Israel-Jacob, or authentic because of diverse practices, would such a group be considered as dead men, not the living sons of Israel? And could this be "the dead" of which the story is about and how Jesus rose from the dead?

Also in Matthew 11:5, Jesus raised the dead while he was yet alive. How then is there another (second) resurrection? I find this an oddity and no indication of another resurrection. The first resurrection is shown in Mt. 11:5 and is the only resurrection in Christ. But there is alloted a "second death", for those who turn from Christ after once having been redeemed. Is second death being confused with second coming?

Refer to Jesus reply to John in prison:

"And it came to pass when Jesus had ceased commanding his twelve disciples, he departed from there to teach and to preach in their cities.

Now, when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,

And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and show John again those things which ye do hear and see;

The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, THE DEAD ARE RAISED UP, and the poor have the gospel preached to them."

Tom Sawyer

Well, the Romans didn't have low budget horror films to teach them how to properly fight zombies, so they may not have known that stabbing Jesus in the head would have ended his undead killing spree after the first time he came back, so they nailed him up on a cross until the body decomposed.

The second resurrection is a myth created to propigate a false religion and shouldn't be taken seriously.

WVIncagold

Was that 28 days later? And tell me who is getting screwed royaly in this little gem

The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, THE DEAD ARE RAISED UP, and the poor have the gospel preached to them."

The poor really get the short end of the stick on this one don't they. Everyone else gets made whole but all the poor get is to sit and be preeched too. I mean he could of said and the poor would be no longer hungry or something like that but they get to still be poor and hungry but now instead of being able to go get or produce food they get to be preeched to.

Tom Sawyer

Well, if you're a poor, blind leper, at least you have a couple of less things to worry about.

bacht

Does anyone know what differences there were between the Pharisaic teaching on resurrection and the Christian? Paul and the other apostles seem to say that only faith in Christ leads to resurrection. Did the Pharisees envision a more general resurrection?

spamandham

:rolling:

Hah! You forgot that Jesus raised a legion of zombies in Jerusalem to continue the killing spree. ...and since Jesus was a zombie rather than a vampire, killing the king of the zombies did not cause the other zombies to instantly turn to dust.

Those other zombies are still among us, biting new victims and spreading their zombie virus, so as to ensure a proper take in the offering plate.

mountainman

There are a number of resurrections prior to that of Jesus. An explanation was sought by public opinion of this issue in the fourth century.

There are explicit references to the living dead in at least (if not more) two of the new testament apochryphal texts --- The Gospel of Philip mentions the zombie called Lazarus (who was kicked to death and buried in the synogogue by the jews), and the Acts of Mathias etc amidst the Canibals features swag of zombies.

Best wishes,


Pete

storytime

True, but they had low budget theater and costumed actors.

storytime

Yeah, but as the story goes, those who were poor were richer than the rich. Remember the widows mite? What moral is there to this story? This poor woman may have starved to death for all we know. Her situation of poverty isn't remedied by Jesus or his disciples or any of the other Jewish people. He merely uses the widows mite as an example of sacrifice. In another passage elsewhere Jesus says "the poor you will always have with you", but he would be crucified, he would be dead but yet alive as a "comforter". Was this called Gnostic teaching?

storytime

According to the story, Paul and the Pharisees taught the same in resurrection. It was the Sadducees which differed and did not believe in resurrection or angels. We don't see much if any discussion about the Sadducees. They seemed to have been the ones who just stood back and watched as the zombies strolled by.