No Robots

Paul's position was that the authentic Israel was the spiritual Israel, "the circumcision of the heart," which was open to anyone.

Jeffrey Gibson

So you are saying that the the quotes you gave in response to my question about whether the recipients of Paul's letters to the Galatians and the Corinthians were ethnic Jews -- quotes in which, BTW, the references to being a Jew are references to being an ethnic Jew -- were not to be taken as something that answered that question, that indeed, they had nothing to do with it?

Again? When was this (equivocated and equivocating) contention set out previously? Where is it even hinted at in your assertion that "The entire New Testament was created by, for and about Jews; it belongs wholly to Jewish literature."?


That's nice. But this doesn't really answer my question, does it? Was Theophilus ethnically a Jew. Were the recipients of Rom. 10-11 ethnic (not honorary) Jews?

And does Luke really feel that the communities of Christians he speaks of in Acts are "within" Judaism?

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson

Really? What parts of Josephus specifically?

Of course?? And you base this claim on what?

Probably? Don't you know?

In any case, why should anyone believe your claim? What's your evidence for it?

Jeffrey

Clivedurdle

It might be interesting to ask what sect of Judaism - unlike Paul it seems not to be a Pharisee!

But the not one jot stuff sounds very Sadducee, but the depiction of Pharisees by Jesus is a propaganda one - the Pharisees would have no problem with going with publicans and sinners.

I would argue there are severe inconsistencies that mean either Jesus was not a Jew or the gospels were written by non Jews with Jewish assistance.

The evidence points towards a fictional character with propaganda type Jewish traits.

Doug Shaver

No. It is assumed that the NT contains some material based on historical fact. You're acting like a fundamentalist Christian again, assuming that either everything in the NT is true or else that none of it is. Critical thinkers are capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction in the same document.

Assuming there was a historical Jesus, his father is simply unknown. It could have been Joseph for all anyone can tell. Just because two of the gospels say otherwise doesn't mean he wasn't Jesus' father.

And none is needed.

Your opinion of what was required to have been "fundamentally Jewish" during the first century is worthless.

All we're assuming for this discussion is that the NT has some history in it and that intelligent people can sort it out from the fiction. We are rejecting your assumption that if we can't believe all of it, then we can't believe any of it.

Doug Shaver

Any part that doesn't presuppose the occurrence of a miracle could be historical.

Amaleq13

That's what I thought. You were pretending it wasn't there.

I know it is difficult for you to even pretend to accept anything but the most simplistic description of the evidence but all you need to assume, for the sake of argument, is that there was an actual guy upon whom the stories were based. Do the stories depict this man as Jewish? Setting aside the Jew vs Judean argument, the answer to that should be obvious.

You've read all four Gospels and you didn't notice any of the clues indicating that the Jesus character in the the stories is supposed to be Jewish? I don't believe you. Nobody could actually be that clueless.

Clivedurdle

There do appear to be some interesting confusions in the NT, like the various pagan motifs allegedly within a Jew, like human sacrifice. And what is that earlier point about kronos meaning world? Should that not be translated not of this time?

aa5874

A total baseless post. You have not supported your assertions with facts or credible information.

Deal with the OP.

What is your position, was Jesus a Jew or not, if the NT is assumed historical? And please provide the evidence or information you have to support your position.

I don't have time to waste.

Littlejohn

Josephus....

It is simple: reading carefully the Epistle to the Romans. If can achieve it the "son of a lesser God", for you will be a "breeze" achieve it! ..


"..Probably? Don't you know?.."

If I knew the exact date, certainly I would not be here, but rather to challenge the luck in Las Vegas!

"..In any case, why should anyone believe your claim? What's your evidence for it?"

There is only one way to see whether my statements are true or false: seek and study. No matter which method you use, if the manner of Littlejohm, Pete Brown, Mickey Mouse, or otherwise: the important thing is that you get results!

If you do not want to deal with this effort, then you have to be patient and wait for my book is ready. Please, always remember that anyone ever suggested to me what to look for and where to look: all the results I obtained them with my tenacity.

If someone could give me some suggestions (but in that case would mean that the truth about the origins of Christianity would be known by a lot of time!), then I would not have spent over 11 years to reach the truth, but certainly I would have been able to get there much earlier.


Greetings

Littlejohn
.