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King Rat · 06-15-2004, 10:49 AM

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But it is an interesting, and plausible, interpretation. But still, Jesus clearly forgave the woman's sin without administering, or requiring, any punishment for her transgressions.

It seems then, that it is possible for Jesus to circumvent the law and the will of man.

It just don't make no dern sense...

seebs · 06-15-2004, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by King Rat

I haven't done any such thing. I just haven't seen anything that verifies the stories you believe in and are telling, and you cannot verify the stories you believe in and are telling.

How can you tell whether or not you have seen anything that verifies them? Your definition of verification starts by begging the question.

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You also seem to admit that Jesus has no power over the physical world (reality)

I've already corrected this, and I don't see why I should do it again.

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If Jesus' forgiveness means nothing in reality, why should I care about his forgiveness?

That's an interesting question. If reality consists of only those things a given person chooses to accept, why do the rest of us keep breathing when he's not looking?

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I'm excited by the prospect of this existence outside of reality that you keep referring to, you just haven't convinced me that it exists.

You've started by begging the question, and presuming that all of reality is the physical world. This is pure question-begging, and gets you precisely nowhere.

King Rat · 06-15-2004, 11:51 AM

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How can you tell whether or not you have seen anything that verifies them? Your definition of verification starts by begging the question.

I disagree, if I see something I cannot explain I do not approach it with anything other than curiosity.

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I've already corrected this, and I don't see why I should do it again.

No, you've denied it, not corrected it.

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That's an interesting question. If reality consists of only those things a given person chooses to accept, why do the rest of us keep breathing when he's not looking?

I would say it is because reality has little to do with things a given person chooses to accept.

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You've started by begging the question, and presuming that all of reality is the physical world. This is pure question-begging, and gets you precisely nowhere.

Really? (pun intended) I'm pretty sure that REALITY by definition is what is real, physical, tangible. What you are describing is metaphysical, unreal, intangible, supernatural. Please explain how reality means: "That which is not real."

Additionally it seems that this metaphysical Jesus person has no jurisdiction over the physical world. Any interference by this metaphysical Jesus person is labelled abrogation of man's free will. Except when it isn't. I'm finding it all very contradictory, unproveable, nonsensical, and quite silly. I'm not begging the question, I'm begging for answers.

According to christians, the Son of Sam has been forgiven of his sins, who are we to deny gods will?

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