aa5874

What, what?? You could write "to Henry the VIII"?? Well, who wrote Antiquities of the Jews, and Wars of the Jews?? Could you not write all the stories in Josephus??

What 1st century stories are you talking about in Josephus??

Please don't tell me anything about Josephus when you KNOW that you could write all the stories and claim they happened in the 1st century.

aa5874

You want to use Josephus as a 1st century source about Jesus but when I use Justin Martyr as a 2nd century source all of a sudden you cry foul.

You can't burn the writings of antiquity.

You can't burn the writings of Justin Martyr.

Justin Martyr is a credible source just like Josephus.

Josephus wrote the Antiquities of the Jews.

Justin Martyr wrote the history of the Jesus cult.

Sheshbazzar

I'm not one that has ever even so much as suggested doing so.

Obviously, you have some type of bi-polar 'problem' which causing you to post these irrational and contradictory statements.

You really ought to schedule a visit with your doctor about adjusting your meds.




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aa5874

Why are you telling me that you could write "to Henry VIII" in First Apology but utterly fail to tell me that you could also write about "Henry VIII" in Josephus??

Why are you implying that Justin's Martyr's writings were manipulated but blatantly accept Josephus's Jesus' stories are dated to the 1st century??

You have no way of knowing if Josephus's Jesus characters did exist. After all UNKNOWN manuscripts may have stated that Josephus was a LIAR and that all the stories in the writings of Josephus about the Jesus characters are Fiction.

As soon as you RELIED on UNKNOWN EVIDENCE then you inadvertently destroyed all your claims about Josephus' Jesus stories.

You DON'T know anything because you don't know all the evidence that there ever was in the ancient world.

Please, Don't tell me anything about writings of antiquity. You KNOW NOTHING of the history of antiquity.

You knew in advance that Josephus' version may not be true and Josephus himself may have not ever existed.

Based on your own claim about UNKNOWN evidence you have become irrelevant.

Sheshbazzar

Whatever are you smoking? The further this thread goes, the loonier it gets.

aa5874

That is exactly what I expected from you. You really have nothing but mindless rhetoric. You score ZERO points.

Now, your posts are recorded.
You are implying that "to Henry VIII" or any Emperor of Rome or KING could have been inserted in Justin's writings.

Well, tell us if you or anyone TODAY could have invented those 1st century stories about those characters called Jesus in the writings of Josephus??

Look at an excerpt of your own post.

Now tell me if someone wrote stories about 1st century characters today does that date the writings to the 1st century??

Why does Josephus's Jesus stories date to the 1st century and Justin's writings to Antoninus the Emperor do NOT date his writings to the 2nd century????

Examine one of your own post. You seem to have NO idea that the very same UNKNOWN, LOST and DETERIORATED manuscripts may show that Justin is Credible and Josephus was NOT.

You have NO way of knowing if Josephus or any writing of antiquity is historically reliable.

You have no way of knowing what those lost manuscripts contained.

In effect, based on your own admittance, you really know nothing.

Actually your claims about Josephus or any other ancient writers are irrelevant.

Please, don't tell me anything about Josephus, Justin or any other character of antiquity.

You have NO way of knowing what was in ALL the Lost manuscripts.

All your claims about ancient writings are Irrelevant.

My argument is based on manuscripts that were FOUND and dated.

The Jesus story and cult originated in the 2nd century based on the manuscripts that were FOUND and DATED and compatible sources like Justin and Aristides.

Sheshbazzar

So nothing was ever written, or has ever happened unless it appears, -in writing-, in some ACTUAL DATED RECOVERED MANUSCRIPTS ?

I wonder how many rational, reasonable, thinking persons will be willing to accept the 'logic' of that premise.

And just as obviously, no matter how much you may post, rant, and rage, neither do you.

Neither do you.

We may both know and observe a few things about the content of recovered and dated manuscripts, but neither of us have access to what has not yet been recovered, or although recovered, remains yet to be restored, translated, and presented to the world at large.
However it quite irrational to function on a premise that whatever has not been recovered, or has not yet been made publicly available, must not have existed.
What has not yet been recovered or revealed is the foundation on which what has been recovered and dated was built.
Reason and rationality does not demand, nor function at all well on intransigent dogmatism.

If and when those ancient foundational writings such as authentic and dated pre-Justin texts of the 'Memoirs of The Apostles' and 'Acts of Pilate', or other as yet unknown pre-Justin Christian texts are finally recovered, dated, and made publicly available, then we may begin to actually trace its development from its beginnings and know with a bit of certainty how Christianity really came about, in contrast to the Christian fictions we have long been fed.

The story of Jesus the Christ and of Christianity certainly DID NOT originate with Justin's 2nd century CE writings.



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aa5874

Again, your statements are irrelevant. You have admitted that you have NO way of knowing what the Lost and Rotted manuscripts contain.

What other unknown manuscripts have been Lost and Rotted to dust???

You don't know.

What was the contents of all the manuscripts that have been lost and rotted???

You don't know.

You have NO way of knowing if any ancient writing is credible because manuscripts have been lost and rotted to dust.

Your claims about 1st century Jesus stories are irrelevant. You have NO way of knowing and KNEW in advance that that you had NO way of knowing.

Your claim is irrelevant. Plus I did NOT ever claim the Jesus story and Christianity started with Justin.

Why can't you even write what I posted??

You promote propaganda.

In First Apology attributed to the Justin it is claimed there were Christians during the time of Simon Barhochebas or c 131-133 CE.

First Apology

Sheshbazzar

First Apology
So thus according to Justin, the Christians were a large enough, and a well enough known and recognizable group among the Jews by the time of Simon Barhochebas or c 131-133, that they were singled out for "special treatment".

The question here then is DO YOU BELIEVE Justin's report ?

Either you DO or you DON'T.

aa5874

First Apology
Your questions are irrelevant. You have NO way of knowing if Justin is credible or not.

According to you, unknown manuscripts have been lost and rotted to dust.

You have inadvertently isolated yourself from all sources of antiquity.

And, again, I am using the Evidence provided in the writings attributed to Justin as the History of the Jesus cult UNTIL NEW EVIDENCE is FOUND.

I no longer accept the writings called Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline letters as historical sources.

My argument is REVIEWED when NEW EVIDENCE is found.

Right now, at this very moment, the Preponderance of Evidence supports a 2nd century Jesus story and cult.