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Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 02-06-2004, 03:06 PM

Hola amigos,

Long time no speaky. Been muy busy mit mein job.

Note:Now how many sentences have you read lately that incorporated 3 different languages?

Anyway...the question bit. Two part question:

#1-For all the atheists out there...granted that you don't believe in God do you feel it is ok for others to believe in God? Yes or no?

#2-Why or why not?

Thanks

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

asgardhaven · 02-06-2004, 03:16 PM

As long as you dont infringe upon my non-faith, I wont infringe upon your faith.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 02-06-2004, 03:23 PM

asgardhaven,

Quote:

Originally posted by asgardhaven
As long as you dont infringe upon my non-faith, I wont infringe upon your faith.

So to you is the whole 'god' thing a somewhat personal issue? It's fine if some people believe X...it's also fine if some people don't?

SOMMS

atheist · 02-06-2004, 03:27 PM

From Atheism Central (emphasis mine)

Quote:

"[E]very major religion today is a winner in the Darwinian struggle waged among cultures, and none ever flourished by tolerating its rivals."

Edward O. Wilson, Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge, (First edition, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1998), p. 144.

Re above: it is for this reason that atheism (and rationalism) can only exist in tolerant societies. If intolerant atheists were to dominate society the result would only be an ignorant society ripe for the return of religion. Atheism is not compatible with ignorance - it is a choice resulting from freethought - the freedom to think. Unlike religion - the freedom to think cannot be imposed on anyone.

Atheism Central

I pretty much agree with that.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 02-06-2004, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by atheist
From Atheism Central (emphasis mine)

I pretty much agree with that.

Uh...alright. Seems like there is a fair amount of posturing in the above statement but whatever. So are you basically saying you are tolerant to religion without believing in religion?

SOMMS

asgardhaven · 02-06-2004, 03:40 PM

SOMMS,

Yes it is a personal thing. I tend to agree to a good degree with atheist that atheism cannot be enforced on others.

I've based my decision to have no faith on the groudns of reason and a scarcity of evidence. I can't "prove" my position (that would be proving a negative) except by saying that you can't prove yours but that doesn't tend to convience people who've made a decision based on emotional grounds.

model citizen · 02-06-2004, 04:01 PM

I really wouldn't want to deny someone of something that brings them hope and comfort. It's damned tempting to try sometimes, though.

Mageth · 02-06-2004, 04:02 PM

#1-For all the atheists out there...granted that you don't believe in God do you feel it is ok for others to believe in God? Yes or no?

Yes.

#2-Why or why not?

Because I feel anyone can believe what they want. And even if I didn't feel it was OK, what the hell could I or anyone else do about what people believe or don't believe?

Eidal · 02-06-2004, 04:33 PM

I have no problem whatsoever with faith-based beliefs unless the person involved also claims that its rational/logical for me to think the same way.

The problem with fideism is that, lacking logic, there is no meaningful way to communicate an idea to someone else that doesn't already accept your idea as the truth.

strobe · 02-06-2004, 05:18 PM

#1 - Yes.

#2 - I think it's a fundamental human right to think and believe whatever you want (thought police = bad). However, it doesn't stop me from thinking that they're a moron for believing such tripe.

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strobe Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CA Posts: 105	Re: Yet another question for atheists... #1 - Yes. #2 - I think it's a fundamental human right to think and believe whatever you want (thought police = bad). However, it doesn't stop me from thinking that they're a moron for believing such tripe.

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02-06-2004, 03:06 PM	#1
Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 889	Yet another question for atheists... Hola amigos, Long time no speaky. Been muy busy mit mein job. Note:Now how many sentences have you read lately that incorporated 3 different languages? Anyway...the question bit. Two part question: #1-For all the atheists out there...granted that you don't believe in God do you feel it is ok for others to believe in God? Yes or no? #2-Why or why not? Thanks Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

02-06-2004, 03:16 PM	#2
asgardhaven Regular Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN USA Posts: 129	As long as you dont infringe upon my non-faith, I wont infringe upon your faith.

02-06-2004, 03:40 PM	#6
asgardhaven Regular Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN USA Posts: 129	SOMMS, Yes it is a personal thing. I tend to agree to a good degree with atheist that atheism cannot be enforced on others. I've based my decision to have no faith on the groudns of reason and a scarcity of evidence. I can't "prove" my position (that would be proving a negative) except by saying that you can't prove yours but that doesn't tend to convience people who've made a decision based on emotional grounds.

02-06-2004, 04:01 PM	#7
model citizen Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 51st state Posts: 32	I really wouldn't want to deny someone of something that brings them hope and comfort. It's damned tempting to try sometimes, though.

02-06-2004, 04:02 PM	#8
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	#1-For all the atheists out there...granted that you don't believe in God do you feel it is ok for others to believe in God? Yes or no? Yes. #2-Why or why not? Because I feel anyone can believe what they want. And even if I didn't feel it was OK, what the hell could I or anyone else do about what people believe or don't believe?

02-06-2004, 04:33 PM	#9
Eidal Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 153	I have no problem whatsoever with faith-based beliefs unless the person involved also claims that its rational/logical for me to think the same way. The problem with fideism is that, lacking logic, there is no meaningful way to communicate an idea to someone else that doesn't already accept your idea as the truth.

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