sharon45

Again, without needing to respond to your mistaken comments about Judaism, catholicism, and christianity, I will say this though:

I did not stray from the OP, I only stated why christianity, islam, and others, used their own ways in dealing with their members. Their beliefs were based on a corrupting and misunderstanding of another's long standing and well established religion, which was Judaism. Once with such outright disregard and ignorance on board, almost anything can result, and history has proven this clear, catholicism with mostly to blame. If not for their brash viciousness towards outsiders, even within the belief, and their contradictory thoughtlessness, there wouldn't have been anywhere as many 'me toos' out there waiting for their own turn, gaining enough power, to also participate in these sick games.

Furthermore, I do not 'slam', I simply remind some people of the truth, as with the holocaust, the statement "never again", should greatly be applied here.

Amos

Disregard is all yours and this is evident by your unwilingness to recognize other religions as valid postions or you would capitalize their name.

Ignorance is also yours because you fail to realize that in the minds of many people Judaism is perceived as a religious tradition that must be fed and nurtured by outsiders (parasitic instead of symbiotic). To them they are as if strangers in a foreing land like a bird that has been hatched in the nest of others. Some don't recognize this and will do all they can to help Jews find a destiny, while others will object and try to remove Judaism from their midst.

Both of these will be sideshoots of the above mentioned grafted branch that you see as an evil in itself but these revolutionaries are actually excommunicated heretics by the Catholic Church itself. Some would argue that the holocaust continues but now with the balance of power on the other side.

sharon45

Again, you continue to ignore me and contradict yourself in this matter.

Plus, I never said I wasn't ignorant, every human has a degree of ignorance or else we would be 'all-knowing'. But to have as though it is all mine, not quite an accurate statement at all.

What others think of Judaism, is their own opinion, and they have the right to express that opinion, but they don't have the right to force their opinions on others, as christians(catholics) have done and will continue to do for many years to come.

Some of your last post, could be seen as anti-Semitic, but it's also drifting in too much of a poetic stream, so it's not that clear what you mean. It was clear though from your posts, that you are not too keen with others outside your belief and with concern to other christians. That is one main reason already, that a lot of christians don't really consider catholics as christians.

I do still know, you have not corrected me yet, instead, you made many false assumptions trying to cover your own mistakes in this matter. I don't expect you to understand, people are hard enough to convince already in differing ideas, but even more so, when religion is the topic.

When it comes to my use of capitals:

I refuse to cater to terms, people, etc. that I don't really find much to agree with by giving them a capital letter. Most will give capitals to the most vile things and that is their choice, after all, it is correct english to do so, and I disagree with that, that should be my choice as well. I will use capitals for very few things, because I agree with very few things. As for as the use for other religions as you assumed, I use capitals for Hinduism and Buddhism, to name a few. I also don't use terms such as 'xtian' or 'xian' or 'fundi', I will write out the whole word whether I use capitals or not.

I am a free thinker, I don't want to be just told what to do just because others want control or 'think' I am wrong. I have spent most of my life thinking about how life works and I don't take this task or at trying to get my points accross lightly.

To stay on the OP, religion too much so, controls how people think and their actions. When something in religion is expressed, it had better be very clear to all the advantages and 'properly accepted' disadvantages. That is one of religion's biggest sins, having such 'important issues and thoughts' thrown together in a poetic stream, as I have put it, so that what is suppose to be made clear, is instead, left up to a reader's interpretation.

Amos

But if you were to understand the fullness of Judaism you would be all knowing and until you are you don't have a basis for the judgement calls you make.

Do you see any Catholics trying to convert Jews? . . . and Catholics are not Christians . . . and I have great respect for Judaism that goes far beyond the scope of your imagination.

Again Catholics ar not Christians. They do not profess to be saved and have no testamony to offer. In fact, they don't want one and fought the Reformation to prevent this gross perversion out of which anti-Semitism is born.

Sorry, I must have missed your point. Was there a question to be answered?

It's OK with me. It is your choice to hate the rest of the world and are more than welcome to especially hate Catholics. We kind of like to be the envy of the world so don't let me stop you.

Keep thinking for you have a long ways to go.Nono, both Judaism and Catholicism are mystery religions where thinking will lead you in the wrong direction. If the mystery of faith was declared in the beginning it would never be a religion wherein the unfolding of the mystery is the end of religion. Did you get that? In other words: in a mystery religion we must come full circle in the end with the beginning except that when we arrive at the place we first started we now understand the mystery that we were set out to discover when we first started our journey of faith.

sharon45

Amos, you should try to make your 'points' with someone like beanpie, you both can keep trying to get in the last word without either one of you ever really noticing how both wrong and similar you are with techniques in debating, reasoning, and vainity. As I also told him in another thread, you are obviously not very serious, so I do not need to further this any longer. You can feel good about yourself that you win because you ignore and get the last word in. Have fun with that, because that is as close to reality as I've seen so far from your posts.

Still sticking with the OP, as I pointed out and have also watched get completely out of hand, religion does indeed run people's thoughts and actions far too much. Many will think, say, and do almost anything to protect, defend, and promote their religion because of the extreme passions instilled inside the follower.