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I disagree with his view because Mark seems to be a story that serves to counter claims of apostolic authority. The later redactions, Matthew, Luke and John, try to obscure the obvious meaning of the original. I am unaware of any good evidence for oral, or any other specific previous traditions, other than maybe popular stories of the day, the Paulines, the Septuagent and perhaps Josephus, that Mark would have needed to compose his story. I am however, open to any evidence to the contrary that you may be able to provide. To call Mark a Greco Roman bioi seems no more than wishful thinking based on a circular argument that is based on the presumption that Mark was writing history in the first place. This, unless I can see some real reason to buy the pre-Pauline oral tradition argument, as currently I only see post Pauline redaction. At least that is where I am at the moment. So, again, what do you think of his statement? Do you agree? If so, why? |
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In any case, your claim about what Collins is supposedly cautioning us against seems belied (and at the same time shows that you are not as familiar with what Collins thinks and has to say on the subject of the genre of Mark as you'd have us believe) in what she writes in the intro to her Hermeneia Commentary on Mark: Jeffrey |
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Collins, too, places undo emphasis on Greco-Roman literature in relation to the gospels. Non-Jewish scholars seem to have difficulty dealing with the NT as essentially Jewish literature, a difficulty similar to the one they have in dealing with the Jewishness of Christ. April deConick writes about this difficulty:
To be frank, the Jewish Jesus is completely irrevelant to Christianity today. He does not make sense, because all that he stood for that was Jewish, he no longer stands for in Christianity.--Forbidden Gospels |
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Moreover, your blind devotion to Brunner has blinded you to the fact that Brunner was working from the naive, theologically motivated, and wholly unsupportable positions that Palestinian Judaism in Jesus' day was something that was and always had been hermetically sealed off from Hellenization, and that the Gospels were examples of Kleineliterature, and that therefore anything he says about Gospel origins and their literary nature and character that is grounded in this supposition is rubbish. Jeffrey |
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One of the tenets of any scholarship is that good methodologies are based around the rule (ie dominion) of evidence. Making career choices that ground you further in belief systems points to a position which is contrary to the rule of evidence. Evans' CV is merely useful here in showing his choices. Do you think that going to the School of the Americas and later doing a PsyOps course at Fort Bragg cannot be used as indications of direction in Manuel Noriega's career choices? spin |
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What comparative studies of the Gospels' language, grammar, syntax, rhetorical forms and structures with that of refined 1st century Hellenistic writings -- including Hellenistic Jewish writings -- have you carried out to see if Brunner knew what he knew was talking about? Quote:
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Let me note that just as you were when you once previously claimed that ALL NT writings were Jewish literature written for Jews, you are, I think, painfully out of your depth here. Jeffrey |
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