ApostateAbe

OK, cool, if you remember what those written statements are or where they can be found, that would be a great contribution to the discussion. My memory is not the best.

aa5874

Selassie was not a myth. Selassie was deified by some Rastafarians.

Selassie cannot be compared to Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost. There is an historical record of Selassie, there is not one single KNOWN piece of credible information of Jesus, even internally.

Church people claimed he died, yet also claimed he truly resurrected.

And the events that occurred that day, the 3-hour darkness, is fiction based on NASA.

ApostateAbe

That humble manoeuvre is great, because now have to somehow 1-up you.

wordy

Seems reasonable what you write there LogicandReason.

Unfortunately I am not good deciding on such things so I have not read the thread cause what can we do after agreeing.

Atheists don't care about it and the Christians and Muslims see it as heretic?

I mean what? apart from the feeling that it feels good to understand how it all became as it is now. It is both fun and sad. It shows how small small circumstance have enormous consequences even this remote in time as we live now.

fatpie42

I think you might be being a bit harsh here. Let's imagine for a moment (and I admit we are talking complete fiction here) that there were an account of a historical Jesus of some kind. We're imagining that some lost piece of writing surfaces which can be reliably attached to a known non-Christian historian or philosopher of the time and the figure described can be reasonably connected with the Jesus of the NT, describing him in a non-mythological way.

Okay, with this entirely fictional idea in our minds, let's compare with Selassie. Selassie, the historical figure, was not a God. He was deified later on. Similarly, if we were to find an historical account of Jesus wouldn't it make sense that, unlike the mythological gospels and epistles, he would be described as not being a God?

Of course, as you rightly note, we have little reason to suppose that Jesus was historical in the first place. However, if we take an even-handed approach to our critics, we must surely recognise that it is not entirely absurd to imagine that a historical Jesus might have been deified rather like Selassie was. It's just that we'd need a great deal more evidence than we currently have to make such a claim.

P.S. What's with the reference to NASA? Surely space travel has no relevance to this. *scratches head*

Toto

aa5874 seems to think that if NASA records show that there was no 3 hour eclipse of the sun at a time when Jesus might have been crucified, that this shows that the NT as a whole is not credible historical evidence.

Please don't encourage him.

aa5874

This is absolutely incredible.

I have never made any statement that the fictitious 3-hour darkness in the NT proves that the NT as a whole is not credible.

My position that the NT is not credible is based on many many fictitious statements and events found in the NT, church writings, the non-canonised writings and other writers of antiquity.

And you know that is the case.

Why do you keep on making erroneous statements about me?

Please, I beg you, stop this nonsense.

Now, show me where I have stated that the 3-hour darkes proves the NT as a whole is not credible?

When will this nonsense stop?

ApostateAbe

It was a probably a misunderstanding on Toto's end. If you say you don't believe that today, then all is good. You may want to clarify the reason you brought up NASA just so misunderstandings like that don't repeat.

aa5874

When people claim that Jesus was historical, I do not deal with imagination. I need historical evidence.

People can imagine anything.

It can never be harsh to ask for historical evidence from someone who for years have telling people that there is historical evidence for Jesus when they know that it is not true.

As far as I understand, the historicity of Jesus has not been addressed by Scholars. His existence has always only been assumed by scholars.

NASA is not only about space travel.

NASA records can show the position of the sun and moon with respect to the earth during the entire supposed life of Jesus or the entire time of Pilate when it was assumed Jesus died and the earth was darkened for thee hours.

The NASA records show that the 3-hour darkness as recorded in the NT, is fiction.

aa5874

I get extermely worried when people continue to do the same thing over and over. How can it be a mis-understanding?

The reason I brought up NASA with respect to the three-hour darkness is to show more that NT contains proven fiction.