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Old 09-24-2007, 09:42 AM   #71
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If you don't want to look it up, fine.
There's nothing to find.
Well, I wouldn't say that. However, I did accidentally give a link to a general article on Bertrand Russell, rather than a link specifically to the Teapot argument:

Here, try this. I think any reasonable reader will agree it's very much to the point here.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:45 AM   #72
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An absence of such evidence warrants rejecting the claim as lacking sufficient support for credibility.
Quite so. So the proposition that the supernatural cannot happen is not carried.
As is the case with the contrary.
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Here, try this. I think any reasonable reader will agree it's very much to the point here.
But there is a teapot, made of best china, in orbit between Earth and Mars, placed there by one of the Apollo missions.
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But there is a teapot, made of best china, in orbit between Earth and Mars, placed there by one of the Apollo missions.
We've gone from vapid insults to churlish evasion of an argument, which - if you were to focus on it for a moment - reveals the pointlessness of your position.
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We've gone from vapid insults to churlish evasion of an argument
What alternative do you have? Russell relies, again, on argument from ridicule. Of course, he lived before space travel, and his trick argument does not work now, so sceptics have to invent a flying spaghetti monster instead.
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I've already agreed that it is indicative of a closed mind.
It is a common misconception on the part of both religionists and skeptics that the rejection of miracles is a kind of closed-mindedness. I recommend that, before pronouncing on this subject, people read Spinoza's treatment (p. 73):
Nothing, then, comes to pass in nature (N.B. I do not mean here by "nature," merely matter and its modifications, but infinite other things besides matter.) in contravention to her universal laws, nay, everything agrees with them and follows from them, for whatsoever comes to pass, comes to pass by the will and eternal decree of God; that is, as we have just pointed out, whatever comes to pass, comes to pass according to laws and rules which involve eternal necessity and truth; nature, therefore, always observes laws and rules which involve eternal necessity, and truth, although they may not all be known to us, and therefore she keeps a fixed and immutable order.
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I've already agreed that it is indicative of a closed mind.
It is a common misconception on the part of both religionists and skeptics that the rejection of miracles is a kind of closed-mindedness. I recommend that, before pronouncing on this subject, people read Spinoza's treatment (p. 73):
Nothing, then, comes to pass in nature (N.B. I do not mean here by "nature," merely matter and its modifications, but infinite other things besides matter.) in contravention to her universal laws, nay, everything agrees with them and follows from them, for whatsoever comes to pass, comes to pass by the will and eternal decree of God; that is, as we have just pointed out, whatever comes to pass, comes to pass according to laws and rules which involve eternal necessity and truth; nature, therefore, always observes laws and rules which involve eternal necessity, and truth, although they may not all be known to us, and therefore she keeps a fixed and immutable order.
Miracles don't occur because God says so, then.
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Then what are you going on about? :huh:
Sorry, the science argument was dealt with in another thread. The supernatural is not susceptible to scientific method.
Ahhh ...

But, the scientific method works by employing reason, no? Thus, if you can't deal with it via science, reason is the next best thing. And, to reason something out, you need evidence, right?

So, let's see something substantive that you've have us reason out. Something other than a Middle-Eastern fairy tale ...
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Miracles don't occur because God says so, then.
You have to bear in mind what Spinoza means by "God":
God: the absolutely infinite being; in other words: substance consisting in infinite attributes, each one of which expresses eternal and infinite beingness.
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God: the absolutely infinite being; in other words: substance consisting in infinite attributes, each one of which expresses eternal and infinite beingness.
The supernatural, then.
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