Dave31

Good stuff from Carrier here:

Why the Gospels Are Myth


What are Carriers current thoughts on Nazareth? Does he agree with the chapters on Nazareth from the new book response to Bart Ehrman?

New book about Bart Ehrman and the Christ myth!

Clivedurdle

As we have several points when Jesus became god - at his birth, at his baptism, always, at his resurrection, at his ascension, could we be looking at several different plots about where and when the sacrifice happened?

The basic plot is Emmanuel - God with us.

OK, how do we achieve this?


Born of a virgin
Made from David
In the heavens continually
wandering around galilee

These variuos stories have been collected together and because of the idea of heresy, attempted to make coherent.

But they are not.

They are all different attempts to bring together god and man. There isn't a common pattern. We have at least a sacrifice in the heavens and at Calvary. Are there more in other non canonical stories?

And there definitely is not a historical core to these various attempts to describe how god becomes man, takes away the sins of the world and creates a new heaven and earth.

outhouse

Had a buddy who email him and asked him his thoughts on Nazareth, and he stated its very possible Nazareth was inhabited at that time.


Its my opinion it was sort of a camp set up for the Jewish workers rebuilding Sepphoris after it was leveled at the beginning of the century. Wasnt much there and it was very poor.

andrewcriddle

I can't find anything in Smyrneans corresponding to this.

Do you possibly mean the passage in Ignatius to the Ephesians ?
If so then, in context, this means that the ruler of this age did not realise what God was planning before it happened.

Andrew Criddle

Perspicuo

Just finished watching it.

Thank you very much, Toto. I believe this will be life-changing information. I really hope it gets around.

aa5874

Where do you get your stories from?

In the NT Jesus boasted that he would resurrect after three days.

In the NT, the Pauline writer claimed the resurrected Jesus was given a name above every name in heaven, earth and under the earth and that every knew should bow to Jesus who was raised from the dead.

In fact, it is stated in the Pauline writings that the resurrected Jesus was Lord, the Son of God and that without the resurrection there would be NO Faith.

Jesus of Nazareth did NOT flourish at all. Jesus of Nazareth was completely unknown in non-apologetic sources.

If people of antiquity knew Jesus was a man then it would not have been made public and documented for hundreds of years that he was the product of a Holy Ghost.

The only sources for Jesus of Nazareth are Myth Fables about God, Satan, the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Ghost.

WilliamB

Absolutely ridiculous

Jayrok

Thanks for posting this. I haven't read Carrier's rebuttal to Holding's book Impossible Faith, but was curious about his comments at about the 22 minute mark regarding Philo of Alexandria.

Carrier states that Philo had written that there was a pre-Christian Jewish belief in a celestial being actually name Jesus who was God's son and agent of creation. I am aware of Philo's mention of the Logos, but is there somewhere in his writings that he specifically calls this Logos "Jesus"?

andrewcriddle

There have been previous threads about this. Richard Carrier (IMO wrongly) believes that the reference to Zechariah 6:12 in On the Confusion of Tongues amounts to identifying the Logos with Joshua/Jesus the High Priest who is addressed by Zechariah in chapter 6.

Andrew Criddle

mountainman

Carrier put hallucinations in quotes and says they may have been genuine "hallucinations" or that they may have been fraudulent "hallucinations".

Carrier states he wont bother (in that presentation) with possibility that these "hallucinations" were fraudulent.

That's too bad. Maybe he'll examine this possibility somewhere else.




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