Steven Carr

What a great prophecy that was! Jews would not die out before a Jew returned. How could that prophecy ever fail? If Jesus returns, then by definition the Jews would not have died out.

I know what the English is.

I wanted to know what the Aramaic was.

Orthodox_Freethinker

In the original Aramaic, Jesus rightly says that "This tribe will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled."

In case you are interested in reading the original Aramaic of Matthew 24 along with the English translation:
http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/Arama.../Mattich24.pdf

Orthodox_Freethinker

You are missing the point. This explains how and why despite all persecutions and sufferings, the Jews have survived as a people - Jesus promised that they would survive until His return.

Orthodox_Freethinker

I showed you what the English translation is of the Aramaic original.

Now, this is the Aramaic along with the English translation:

http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/Arama...n/Yukhnch8.pdf

Again, Jesus stated that "Before Abraham existed, I was."

Steven Carr

Which would be very 'soon' according to Revelation.

And the Interlinear for John 8 says that the Aramaic for 'I am' is 'Ena-na'

Now I am not a great expert , but this doesn't sound anything like the Hebrew from Exodus.

And it also seems to be verse 48 in the Aramaic, not 58. Are 10 verses missing? Perhaps the story of the woman taken in adultery?

Chris Weimer

LOL - I devasted OF's "article" and he can only reply with Eusebius. What a waste of time that was.

reddish

Great. Accepting your hypothesis just for this instant: where can I find this Aramaic Gospel of Matthew (not a post-hoc back-translation from greek)?

Chris Weimer

If you notice he said that his church said that the Peshitta is the original Aramaic. Obviously, we're done dealing with reasonable arguments.

I suggest a censure on anyone who brings up this tiresome and always-refuted theory.

Orthodox_Freethinker

Please give a specific verse of Revelation and then I will find the Aramaic for you.

That doesn't really matter given that the point is still the same - Jesus' existence preceded Abraham.

This is the Murdock translation:

"01 And Jesus went to the mount of Olives.
02 And in the morning he came again to the temple; and all the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them.
03 And the Scribes and Pharisees brought forward a woman that was caught in adultery. And when they had placed her in the midst,
04 they say to him: Teacher, this woman was caught openly in the act of adultery.
05 And in the law of Moses, [God] hath commanded us to stone such persons. What therefore dost thou say ?
06 And this they said, tempting him, so that they might have [ground] to accuse him. But Jesus having stooped down, was writing on the ground.
07 And as they continued asking him, he straightened himself up, and said to them: Whoever among you is without sin, let him first cast a stone at her.
08 And, having again stooped down, he wrote on the ground.
09 And they, when they heard [it], went out one by one, beginning with the older; and the woman was left, alone where she had stood in the midst.
10 And when Jesus had straightened himself up, he said to the woman: Where are they? Doth no one condemn thee ?"
http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/Arama...rdock_john.htm

This is the Lamsa translation:

"1 ¶ THEN Jesus went to the mount of Olives.
2 And in the morning he came again to the temple, and all the people were coming to him; and he sat down and taught them.
3 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in adultery; and they made her to stand in the midst.
4 They said to him, Teacher, this woman was caught openly in the act of adultery.
5 Now in the law of Moses it is commanded that women such as these should be stoned; but what do you say?
6 They said this to tempt him, that they might have a cause to accuse him. While Jesus was bent down, he was writing on the ground.
7 When they were through questioning him, he straightened himself up and said to them, He who is among you without sin, let him first throw a stone at her.
8 And again as he bent down, he wrote on the ground.
9 And when they heard it, they left one by one, beginning with the elders; and the woman was left alone in the midst.
10 When Jesus straightened himself up, he said to the woman, Where are they? Did no man condemn you?"
http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/Arama...John/John8.htm

Orthodox_Freethinker

http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com