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Have a look at the parallels he produces above: Christ being crucified and going to heaven is the same as: * AEsculapius being struck by a thunderbolt and ascending * Bacchus being torn limb-from-limb and ascending * Hercules dying a fiery death and ascending * Bellerophon riding to heaven on the winged horse Pegasus * Ariadne being set among the stars * Julius Caesar's spirit being seen to rise to heaven from his funeral pyre So why didn't the pagans see the parallels? Justin explains it was because the devil tried to copy the prophecies of the Hebrew prophets, but got them wrong. From his First Apology: "And these things were said both among the Greeks and among all nations where they [the demons] heard the prophets foretelling that Christ would specially be believed in; but that in hearing what was said by the prophets they did not accurately understand it, but imitated what was said of our Christ, like men who are in error, we will make plain."Some of his parallels are close (Justin mentions Perseus being born of a virgin as an obvious parallel, for example), others not so close. Obviously a man riding his flying horse to heaven is a parallel to Jesus being crucified and then ascending to heaven in some way, but depending on the argument it may not be a meaningful parallel. Justin can be used to show beliefs in dying-and-rising gods, but some use him to show beliefs in crucified gods, which he obviously doesn't support. So Justin needs to be used carefully as a source for parallels. For those interested, I go into more details on my website page that looks at Diabolical Mimicry. |
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Here are some further parallels between Asclepius and Jesus, sourced from the book Asclepius: The God of Medicine by Gerald D. Hart. It should be noted that most of Hart's sources are to be found in Asclepius: Collection and Interpretation of the Testimonies (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Emma J. Edelstein, Ludwig Edelstein, Gary B. Ferngren. Quote:
There are truckloads and truckloads of archaeological evidence for the cult of Asclepius, which was distributed in a network of major temples and shrines all across the Roman Empire, and beyond it. But we do not have so much as one TRINKET or figurine for Jesus until the cult was established as the centralised monotheistic state religion in the 4th century. The army of the Roman Emperor at that time was ordered to utterly destroy the major temples of Asclepius in the empire, and to set examples to all the other smaller relogious cults by the public execution of chief priests. At the same time, the literary works at that time, such as the polemic entitled THE TREATISE OF EUSEBIUS, THE SON OF PAMPHILUS, AGAINST THE LIFE OF APOLLONIUS OF TYANA WRITTEN BY PHILOSTRATUS, OCCASIONED BY THE PARALLEL DRAWN BY HIEROCLES BETWEEN HIM AND CHRIST, demonstrate that the "Minister for Communications and Propaganda" was employed to do a number on the enemies of the Emperor, because Apollonius was a priest of Asclepius. The tall poppy of the Graeco-Roman religious cults Asclepius went DOWN at Nicaea via polemic and military action, while the new and strange story of Jesus in the Constantine Bible was replicated fifty-fold in the inperial scriptoria. Chairman Mao had his "Little Red Book" and Bullneck had his Bible. When are those who seek the historical truth of christian origins going to put two and two together? |
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Such as the manner by which the emperor Diocletian determined that the christians were hacking into and interfering with the communication feeds between Apollo and the priests of Apollo? Who in their right mind believes this woo-woo bullshit supposedly historical story from Big E.?
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"Backgrounds of Early Christianity" by Everett Ferguson is a pretty good one volume overview of everything that was going on at the time in religion. |
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Well I think this certainly will fill my plate up with things to look into.
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And then he goes on in explaining why the "Sons of Jupiter" did not imitate "the being crucified."
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