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SiliconWolf · 10-02-2003, 09:15 PM

I don't want to wish death on anyone, but it probably would have been a face-saving move for the Vatican if JP2 had retired a couple years ago.

He has been an interesting pope, though, even if many of his policies are total :banghead:

Liberated · 10-03-2003, 01:39 AM

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Any predictions on when he�ll meet his maker ?

His mother and father are both deceased, so he can't meet or talk to his maker(s) again.

Secular Pinoy · 10-03-2003, 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by DigitalChicken
He has Parkinsons. It could go on for many years. There are all sorts of nuances that could occur such as dementia or even conditions where its hard to tell if he has dementia or not.

DC

Hmmm, what if he declares a major doctrinal change ex cathedra while under dementia? Would the Church accept it as such, or will they say that he is out of his mind? And if his successor swiftly changed the doctrine back, would that mean (for Catholics) that ex cathedra pronoucements are not really protected by the Holy Ghost from error, that it's a fallible state?

Thesto Neroses · 10-03-2003, 02:42 AM

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Hmmm, what if he declares a major doctrinal change ex cathedra while under dementia? Would the Church accept it as such, or will they say that he is out of his mind? And if his successor swiftly changed the doctrine back, would that mean (for Catholics) that ex cathedra pronoucements are not really protected by the Holy Ghost from error, that it's a fallible state?

How can we separate belief in God from dementia anyhow?

The BBC has an article showing that the Catholic Church is already preparing for JP2s departure from this mortal coil:

Pope expected to be pushing up daisies soon

abe smith · 10-03-2003, 06:50 AM

A significant factor in the matter of one's having-Parkinson's appears to be that the medications used in palliative(?) treatment of the disease may or do *induce (further) dementia* as a side-effect.
On the other hand, it appears that altho many human beings turn on to *The Pope* as somekind of pop-rock personality, not too many RCs care about, nor obey, his various doctrinal positions , e.g. about contraception & abortion.

Scandal · 10-03-2003, 07:43 AM

SiliconWolf said: "I don't want to wish death on anyone, but it probably would have been a facesaving move for the Vatican if JP2 had retired a couple of years ago."

I agree wholeheartedly. As an ex-Catholic, I expected the head of the Church to be a little less ego-driven and admit that his stay is a detriment to the Church.

Thesto Neroses · 10-03-2003, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by abe smith
A significant factor in the matter of one's having-Parkinson's appears to be that the medications used in palliative(?) treatment of the disease may or do *induce (further) dementia* as a side-effect.
On the other hand, it appears that altho many human beings turn on to *The Pope* as somekind of pop-rock personality, not too many RCs care about, nor obey, his various doctrinal positions , e.g. about contraception & abortion.

In the developed world, yes. In the developing world, the Pope's exhortations to be fruitful and multiply instead of just enjoying a good shag have led to millions of poverty stricken Catholics.

jerusha · 10-03-2003, 09:40 AM

DigitalChicke
He has Parkinsons. It could go on for many years. There are all sorts of nuances that could occur such as dementia or even conditions where its hard to tell if he has dementia or not.

I'm sure those near to him know if he has dementia or not. If you get Parkinsons when you're older, it progresses very slowly. Unlike getting it younger like Michael J. Fox. Unfortunately!

Sarpedon · 10-03-2003, 12:50 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing a new pope who is a clone of this pope, because JP2 is about as liberal as a pope can get. (shrieks in horror) I think that there is going to be a lot of pressure in the RCC to elect a more conservative pope.

Yggdrasill · 10-03-2003, 02:06 PM

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(...) I saw him in Edmonton and really don't remember much about him but I did see alot of people that were quite touched that evening.

What I thought was funny is when he was escorded away by about 20 police officers on a motor bike. (...)

20 police officers on a motor bike? No wonder you thought it was funny.

10-03-2003, 09:40 AM	#28
jerusha Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: s.c. Posts: 147	reply DigitalChicke He has Parkinsons. It could go on for many years. There are all sorts of nuances that could occur such as dementia or even conditions where its hard to tell if he has dementia or not. I'm sure those near to him know if he has dementia or not. If you get Parkinsons when you're older, it progresses very slowly. Unlike getting it younger like Michael J. Fox. Unfortunately!

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10-02-2003, 09:15 PM	#21
SiliconWolf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: A soulless suburb of Chicago Posts: 1,000	I don't want to wish death on anyone, but it probably would have been a face-saving move for the Vatican if JP2 had retired a couple years ago. He has been an interesting pope, though, even if many of his policies are total :banghead:

10-03-2003, 06:50 AM	#25
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	A significant factor in the matter of one's having-Parkinson's appears to be that the medications used in palliative(?) treatment of the disease may or do induce (further) dementia as a side-effect. On the other hand, it appears that altho many human beings turn on to The Pope as somekind of pop-rock personality, not too many RCs care about, nor obey, his various doctrinal positions , e.g. about contraception & abortion.

10-03-2003, 07:43 AM	#26
Scandal Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 131	SiliconWolf said: "I don't want to wish death on anyone, but it probably would have been a facesaving move for the Vatican if JP2 had retired a couple of years ago." I agree wholeheartedly. As an ex-Catholic, I expected the head of the Church to be a little less ego-driven and admit that his stay is a detriment to the Church.

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Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	I wouldn't mind seeing a new pope who is a clone of this pope, because JP2 is about as liberal as a pope can get. (shrieks in horror) I think that there is going to be a lot of pressure in the RCC to elect a more conservative pope.

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