aa5874

Belief without evidence is called a WILD guess.

aa5874

Now, if the author of gMark was an actual follower of Paul, then he would NOT need the letters of Paul. The author of gMark would have HEARD Paul and possible others talk about Jesus.

The letters of Paul are irrelevant to the the author gMark, once he was an actual disciple of Paul.

And the author of gMark could write fiction about Jesus even if no letters were written to anyone or Church.

Again, it is not necessary to have letters from Paul for the author of gMark to write fiction about Jesus, Peter , Mary, Joseph, the transfiguration, the resurrection or the man in white clothes at the tomb.

The fatal problem with the Pauline epistles is that the author called Paul claimed he met people who did not ever exist.

In Galations 1.18, the author called Paul claimed he stayed FIFTEEN days with Peter.

Peter appears to be a fictitious character fabricated by the author of gMark.

Toto

Paul usually speaks of Cephas, who might or might not be the same as Peter, who probably bears a faint resemblance to the mythical Peter of the gospels.

aa5874

It is actually erroneous to claim the author called Paul usually speaks of Cephas.

If a person reads the epistles, it would be noticed that Peter is mentioned just as much as Cephas.

It is also irrelevant whether or not the author mentioned Cephas, once he claimed he stayed for FIFTEEN days with a NON-EXISTENT character, Peter.

And, also in Acts 15, Paul, AMUSINGLY, is at a meeting where the completely NON-EXISTENT fictitious character Peter was one of the participants.

It is now obvious that the author called Paul was LYING, the author was trying to DECEIVE the readers and deliberately distorted or fabricated events which the author knew did not occur.

jbarntt

No, but he sure had a hand in spreading it.

Plainly Peter and James, at least, predate Paul as Christians.

Your question seems silly.

aa5874

I hope you realise that Peter was a character fabricated by an author of gMark, and that Peter was involved in many implausible events.

Peter was attempting to walk on water to Jesus who was walking on water during a storm.

Peter saw Jesus transfigure when the face of Jesus shone like the sun.

Peter saw Moses and Elijah alive hundreds of years after they were supposed to be dead.

Peter saw Jesus raised the dead and used spit to make people see.

Peter saw Jesus after he was supposed to be dead and ate fish and bread with Jesus.

Peter saw Jesus ascend through the clouds.

Peter of the NT is a fictitious character and was not a Christian, a Christian is a REAL person.

jbarntt

If Peter is a fabrication, then so is Paul, as Paul plainly knew Peter.

You are fond of siting supernatural events associated with a person and then claiming the person did not exist. That is illogical. I assume you deny the existence of Alexander the Great, for the same reasons. Come on, tell us: Did Alexander exist ?

I'll look forward to your answer.

aa5874

What source are you using to support your claim that Paul plainly knew Peter?

I hope you are NOT using the so-called words of Paul to confirm the very same Paul.


It would be IDIOTIC of me to only use Paul to invesigate Paul.

[ Well, are you claiming that supernatural entities existed, and were real persons. The God of the Jews was in the garden of Eden talking to Adam and Eve, this God must have existed then.

Or maybe Apollo existed, I understand there may be a statute or some kind of replica of this God.

Please don't run away from the thread. Come on, tell us about PAUL.

You know him? You are smart.

Chili

If Peter and Paul was the first pope it would follow that the faith of Peter was in the mind of Paul to make him worthy to be the first pope (I hold here that Peter was declared rock because of his great insight to recognize Jesus as the messiah-to-come). Paul, then, can be any Jew but not just every Jew because the life of Paul must have paralelled the life of Jesus who therefore knew first hand what Jesus was all about. IOW, Paul also was a Nazarite who 'did his time' in Galilee ('purgatory' we call it) and walked away from it just like Jesus did.

If anything I would say that the life Jesus is fabricated to add some theatrical effect to the marketing of Paul.

aa5874

Perhaps called "rock" because he was inanimate.